tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post114745407558594767..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Liberal MPs attend anti-abortion rally: What do we stand for?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147496422890608482006-05-13T01:00:00.000-04:002006-05-13T01:00:00.000-04:00I'm not saying people that oppose SSM or abortion ...I'm not saying people that oppose SSM or abortion should be kicked out of the party, obviously the rank and file can believe whatever they want. <BR/><BR/>But, if you're an MP elected under the Liberal banner, sitting in the Liberal caucus, I think on such core charter issues, you should tow the party line and the vote should be whipped.<BR/><BR/>On Harper's free votes, yes, that's true. I find it interesting and not coincidental though that 98 per cent (give or take) of the caucus voted the same way. How welcome do you think an openly gay abortion doctor would be in their caucus, think he'd win a nomination? Ask any of the red tory refugees that have fled since the merger.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147487896753541062006-05-12T22:38:00.000-04:002006-05-12T22:38:00.000-04:00Stephen Harper's Conservatives have a policy about...Stephen Harper's Conservatives have a policy about these kinds of social issues: <BR/><BR/>-there will ALWAYS be free votes by ALL MPs<BR/>- they have NO policy on abortion or SSM - if they are ever brought up there will ALWAYS be a free vote- there is NO party line. <BR/><BR/>I think that it a big enough tent to encompass ALL Canadians who have many diffeent views and opinions on these kinds of social issues. <BR/><BR/>The reason they are divisive - is because so many people are divided on these issues. <BR/><BR/>That would eliminate about 50% of all Canadians from being members of the Liberal Party, the NDP or the BLOC who have made these issues of personal choice and concience whipped policy. <BR/><BR/>Those 50% only have a home with the Conservatives. Is that what you want? To make the party into a pup tent instead of a big tent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147470029465932592006-05-12T17:40:00.000-04:002006-05-12T17:40:00.000-04:00Zac, I'm afraid Mr. Steckle is Huron Bruce one of ...Zac, I'm afraid Mr. Steckle is Huron Bruce one of our only rural ridings. He is SW ONtario and I will bring this up with him from a policy perspective within the Liberal Party at this weekends forum in London, if he is there.<BR/><BR/>Hindus are free to believe that eating beef is sacriligious and prohibited and still be MP's right? Eventough the Liberal Party supports Canada's Beef producers and rendering plants.<BR/><BR/>So is a Christian or a Catholic or anyone else free to have a religious belief and still be a member of the Liberal Party? I believe the answer to that question is yes.<BR/><BR/>Can they present it as a Liberal Policy? No!! <BR/><BR/>Wappell is an embarassment for other reasons and should be nudged.S.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00696246515215639169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147465881624938812006-05-12T16:31:00.000-04:002006-05-12T16:31:00.000-04:00These are 3 men who represent constituencies which...These are 3 men who represent constituencies which will never go Conservative, ie Toronto, Mississauga etc. <BR/><BR/>They belong in the CPC but can't get elected. <BR/><BR/>Szabo and Wappel have both been around for a long time, they'll be gone soon enough.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147465497257277822006-05-12T16:24:00.000-04:002006-05-12T16:24:00.000-04:00So, it seems the Cons have let Vella-racist-cott l...So, it seems the Cons have let Vella-racist-cott loose to appease the nutbars, then. Calculated, I'm sure, to move towards that majority they so desperately want. May it never come to fruition.<BR/><BR/>As for the Liberal MPs and Senators, well, what do you expect? They're wishy-washy Liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147461805107947292006-05-12T15:23:00.000-04:002006-05-12T15:23:00.000-04:00Most MPs do not always agree completely with the p...Most MPs do not always agree completely with the party line. <BR/><BR/>That is especially true when the issues strike to the very core of ones beliefs, such as abortion or SSM.<BR/><BR/>Although I fundementally disagree with those who are against both I respect their beliefs and I do not think that they should be excluded from the party based on those beliefs.<BR/><BR/>BCer in TO asks "What do we stand for?" Well I would submit that one of the things Liberals stand for is tolerance, including tolerance of views that are fundementally different from our own.<BR/><BR/>So accepting these folks into the party has nothing to do with being a big tent party. It has everything to do with being understanding and tolerant of other points of view.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it any member of the party has serious differences of opinions with everything Liberals stood for then I would question their membership in the party. However, in most cases when those individuals come to that conclusion they usually leave on their own.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147460348383122292006-05-12T14:59:00.000-04:002006-05-12T14:59:00.000-04:00There is a difference between closing the door and...There is a difference between closing the door and adopting a policy after some debate. It's that to which I was referring.BWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05138286365949566074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147458414739995812006-05-12T14:26:00.000-04:002006-05-12T14:26:00.000-04:00I belive we definitely should close the door to di...I belive we definitely should close the door to different viewpoints on certain issues, if we do not then we are going to look like we are dithering on an issue which would divide the party. These three individuals that showed up to the rally should be told that this is not what the party stands for and if thats the viewpoint you hold then by all means run as an independent or a conservative next time. Principlas within the party must be upheld otherwise the liberal party is just a grouping of misfits from all political parties that no other party wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1147457098744083912006-05-12T14:04:00.000-04:002006-05-12T14:04:00.000-04:00I agree wholeheartedly Jeff. I can only attribute ...I agree wholeheartedly Jeff. I can only attribute the appearance of these three MPs to their personal beliefs taking precedence over the party line. We must, however, ensure that we never close the door to different viewpoints.BWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05138286365949566074noreply@blogger.com