tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post115478778892439141..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: So much for moral clarityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154889199938009102006-08-06T14:33:00.000-04:002006-08-06T14:33:00.000-04:00Fair enough truepeers. It was unclear to me origin...Fair enough truepeers. It was unclear to me originally how you had gotten from A to B, with the absence of reasoning/explination in the post it seemed like a pure, as I said, flip/flop of political expediency. It would seem though that, as you have now articulted, you did have a thought process to get from A to B so, while I don't agree with your reasoning, I can respect the decision.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154887450088899612006-08-06T14:04:00.000-04:002006-08-06T14:04:00.000-04:00The original reason for your boycott hasn't change...<I>The original reason for your boycott hasn't changed. What did?</I><BR/><BR/>-well, Heather changed, as I said, but I did too. We actually have had three posts on Heather and Chapters/Indigo. The first, most angry one, assumed she was banning Harper's out of some lame political correctness. I wrote Indigo and received the form letter in reply suggesting that Heather acted out of fear for her employees' safety. Not a great reply, but a lot better than trying to justify the banning as right (according to the whims of moral relativism), irregardless of the threat of violence.<BR/><BR/>People do have an obligation to protect their employees from Jihadist violence. I don't think Chapters/Indigo did the right thing to protect their employees, but on this point I'm not so sure and I dropped the matter, saying no more about a boycott, but not removing the old post (naturally, any readers can decide for themselves). My uncertainty was relieved when I read the report on Heather's recent political transformation. She's showing a clear allegiance to the same concerns I have - about the rightness [of, e.g., Israel] in standing up to Jihadist violence, so it seems almost certain to me now is the time to forgive her, since I think forgiveness is a fundamental human value, just as is openness to change.<BR/><BR/>I never thought Heather was evil incarnate. There is good and evil in all of us and when the latter gets the better of us, sometimes it is good if others protest and send us a warning. After writing my previous comment here, I dwelled on your word "flip-flop". That of course brought back memories of John Kerry. It crossed my mind that the "logic" of your post could be explained by an angry attachment to the memory of kerry's defeat.<BR/><BR/>But JFK was accused of flip-flopping on a major point of policy and principle. It seems to me, you are accusing me of flip-flpping on my opinion of a person. That's a big difference i think you missed in your desire to skewer some cons. We like a politician to be consistent on major issues, or to have only occasional changes of heart, well-explained. But if we are human we should allow people to change (or our opinions of them to change) and open ourselves to change. The partisan urge to keep everyone (especially non-parliamentarians) in their boxes should be largely limited to election time. That's why we at Covenant Zone are most definitely a small-c conservative blog, though we like PM Harper much at present and think the Liberals are politically foolish to favour Ignatieff or Rae over Dryden.truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154877853507789502006-08-06T11:24:00.000-04:002006-08-06T11:24:00.000-04:00I thought the logic was rather clear. A few months...I thought the logic was rather clear. A few months ago she's evil incarnate but now that she agrees with the Cons on Isreael all is forgiven and bringing her into the fold is HUGE! I was drawing attention to me what seemed like an example of rather ambigious moral clarity of the sort we Liberanos are often accused of exhibiting by the right.<BR/><BR/>As for your specific posts truepeers, I fail/ed to see how you got from A to B. You called for a boycott before for free speach reasons, that's perfectly valid. Then, now that she comes to the Cons on Israel, you're going to go check out their book selection. The original reason for your boycott hasn't changed. What did? They're Cons now. And there may have been a question mark in your title, but the quoted text seemed pretty clear.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154826159213161112006-08-05T21:02:00.000-04:002006-08-05T21:02:00.000-04:00Frankly, the logic of the post and the vulgar anti...Frankly, the logic of the post and the vulgar anti-intellectual first commenter is beyond me. This seems to me a case of someone changing their view of the world and our opinion of her beginning to change likewise (you might have noted the question mark in the blog title, indicating uncertaintty whether we should stop our boycott). When Harpers (a magazine we would never read) was banned, we protested Heather in the name of free speech. Now, when she comes on board the cause of freedom we forgive her and welcome her aboard. If she reverts to an enemy of freedom, the boycott is up again.<BR/><BR/>So what is confusing or inconsistent about that? Are you guys hard-core puritans who never forgive or who think all punishments, like boycotting or shunning, should be lifelong, never lifted. Red tory sounds a little more like Red Stalinist to me, happy being a heresy hunter and not much else. What principle exactly are you accusing me of betraying at Covenant Zone? Try spelling it out why doncha, so I can have a turn laughing.truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154821831975052112006-08-05T19:50:00.000-04:002006-08-05T19:50:00.000-04:00Bud cannot do that.Conservatives are hard wired to...Bud cannot do that.<BR/><BR/>Conservatives are hard wired to expect unquestioning support of any position their leadership puts out there, no matter how silly and shortsighted it is.<BR/><BR/>If you do question it, even a little, you are asking to be attacked with as many baseless arguments and accusations as they can come up with.<BR/><BR/>We have seen this over and over again from the Conservative leaders down to their bloggers. So don't expect Bud to be any different. He has demonstrated in the past that he is unwilling or unable to question anything coming from the Conservative leadership.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154820226665782452006-08-05T19:23:00.000-04:002006-08-05T19:23:00.000-04:00Please tell me why so many Liberal bloggers are bi...<I>Please tell me why so many Liberal bloggers are bitching . . . exactly what side of the fence are you guys on?</I><BR/><BR/>I enjoyed your little quote there Bud. <BR/><BR/>Simply not being a Tory, doesn't mean that you don't support Israel and its right to defend itself. All parties do, not just Harper. <BR/><BR/>We differ in the way in which we hope to end the conflict but no one is saying that they don't support Israel, so you can end the little "your either with us or against us" dichotomy.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154819919032842712006-08-05T19:18:00.000-04:002006-08-05T19:18:00.000-04:00Well Bud, they're your friends now, so welcome the...Well Bud, they're your friends now, so welcome them into your fold.<BR/>They are standing up for Canada too, eh.<BR/>Throw cocktail party, invite them and Emerson, Fortier et al, all the "new" Cons :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154813170649146742006-08-05T17:26:00.000-04:002006-08-05T17:26:00.000-04:00Jeff, great post. Despite what some might say, its...Jeff, great post. Despite what some might say, its pretty funny to see the flip-flops of some of these blogging Tories.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312456253891615523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154799058405069912006-08-05T13:30:00.000-04:002006-08-05T13:30:00.000-04:00in a black and white world I guess you can say kil...in a black and white world I guess you can say kill them or kill that group... Their deaths are more tragic than the others. I think its obvious what side of the fence most Liberals are on -- that there should be an end to indiscriminant bombing where innocents are killed. That Hezzbollah is a terrorist group and should be treated as such, but to let that justice reign down on innocent Lebanese children is beyond the pale.<BR/>I guess its easy being Tory, painting the world in black and white hues, us and them (where did i hear that before?), for or against the troops -- hey, i've seen this movie again! I think this time most of us will be wise enuf to turn off the program instead of watching it kill more brain cells...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154793393175891132006-08-05T11:56:00.000-04:002006-08-05T11:56:00.000-04:00As I said elsewhere (for a moment or so, anyway).....As I said elsewhere (for a moment or so, anyway)... <BR/>this was a cheap/easy for the conservatives.foottothefirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03255591238598035027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154792623356578432006-08-05T11:43:00.000-04:002006-08-05T11:43:00.000-04:00So whate exactly have you accomplished here?You me...<I>So whate exactly have you accomplished here?</I><BR/><BR/>You mean, besides solving world hunger and ushering in world peace?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154792448429425392006-08-05T11:40:00.001-04:002006-08-05T11:40:00.001-04:00What we should do is start searching for books on ...What we should do is start searching for books on the mideast and see if these two "latte sippers' have been determining which books to stock based on their views (pretty obvious with the ban of the Muhammed cartoons) and then air that out to dry. <BR/><BR/>I have not bought a thing at chapters ever, kind of a bonus to growing up in rural newfoundland. I will now be using chapters as a library of course. If they won't support us financially I will be doing all my research on their dime!<BR/><BR/>I guess I better get to chapters before they replace all my fave reads with Ann Coulter.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17404234601709022496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154792429319209382006-08-05T11:40:00.000-04:002006-08-05T11:40:00.000-04:00So whate exactly have you accomplished here? What ...So whate exactly have you accomplished here? What a waste of time.Peter Rempelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677007340074119436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1154789643996797772006-08-05T10:54:00.000-04:002006-08-05T10:54:00.000-04:00I think I will even have a look to see if she has ...<I>I think I will even have a look to see if she has any books I want to buy.</I><BR/><BR/>Too funny for words. So this right-wing asshat will now sally forth from under his bridge to the local Chapters to see if there's a remote possibility of a book worth reading because Heather Reisman has flipped over to the CPC. Man, that is priceless.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.com