tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post2143892678744029854..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Liberals: I need your help changing the leadership selection timelineUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-30924160327526922432011-06-18T14:52:54.281-04:002011-06-18T14:52:54.281-04:00See, this is the problem. This Party has lurched ...See, this is the problem. This Party has lurched from one leadership race to another, losing seats EVERY time. The message needs to be sent to all would be leaders to put their ambitions on ice. This Party, the Party that I love and is my political home, has moved so far away from the grassroots that nobody has a clue who we are anymore. The first thing we do, BEFORE we talk about leadership races, is to build a grassroots organization that works from the bottom up, instead of the top down. Once we build that organization, and we decide what we want this Party to be, then and only then can we select a permanent Leader, because it will only be at that point that any leadership candidate will know what he or she will be signing up for. Frankly, I'd prefer the leadership get dealt with later rather than sooner.The Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13955390430325240021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-75307715128615552582011-06-18T12:29:40.639-04:002011-06-18T12:29:40.639-04:00Jeff Jedras Just learned about your amednment toda...Jeff Jedras Just learned about your amednment today, I must say it is exactly what the Liberal party need's. Time To rebuild and time enough to get a permanent leader.I am sorry I am not a delegate, but I hope it gets passed and I wish it the best luck. I only WISH I could help MORE.vanillamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385749975343350948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-55194535030861565712011-06-17T11:08:40.535-04:002011-06-17T11:08:40.535-04:00Karl,
I think we both know people aren't goin...Karl,<br /><br />I think we both know people aren't going to await for an official start-gun to start leadership organizing. No rules we can dream up to put in place will stop it. Indeed, if some people haven't started already I'll eat my hat. So I'm not too concerned about the membership cutoff dates, frankly. My concern is trying to minimize the period where we're distracted by leadership drama, as I believe it will distract from the reform work that must be done. I think letting it drag on to 2013 is just too long.<br /><br />Dan and Jeremy,<br /><br />Frankly my first choice would be Spring 2012 as well, but I chose to submit Fall 2012 as my read is there wont' be sufficient support at Spring 2012 to get to the 2/3s needed to pass the main amendment. I'm hoping Fall 2012 is a compromise that can find broader consensus. Someone else may be proposing Spring 2012, but I'm not sure.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-87913202834718835782011-06-17T10:46:02.119-04:002011-06-17T10:46:02.119-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mr.Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11245133238969703282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-10010666833992611372011-06-17T07:21:37.688-04:002011-06-17T07:21:37.688-04:00Just a thought. In 2006 it was widely accepted tha...Just a thought. In 2006 it was widely accepted that the 10 month leadershipwas ridiculously too long. So now we decide to have a 17 month long leadership?James Curranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08064830948270604331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-90468685773116775252011-06-16T19:47:52.535-04:002011-06-16T19:47:52.535-04:00Hi Corina,
We actually won't be voting on the...Hi Corina,<br /><br />We actually won't be voting on the "Whereas" part, just the Be It Resolved Part. I don't even think they're going to read the preamble.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-7047723678827841482011-06-16T19:34:58.999-04:002011-06-16T19:34:58.999-04:00I actually support the spirit of this amendment ho...I actually support the spirit of this amendment however I do not really support the wording of it.<br /><br />I'm quite against the concept of 'grassroots' vs. 'non-grassroots'. So the addition of, join with the grassroots, like the leader can't be a part of the grassroots, and like the leader we choose will not have been part of the rebuilding that is already occurring. <br /><br />But that's just me grassroots is an especially big pet peeve for me. However, the idea of moving it to late next year is actually a good one in my books. Too long without a permanent leader leaves us vulnerable to being forgotten about.Corina Gantonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00710075647678373984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-57623405102457845092011-06-16T15:18:59.695-04:002011-06-16T15:18:59.695-04:00Kyle, nobody said that the 2013 dates were put in ...Kyle, nobody said that the 2013 dates were put in place to deter membership sales. What I said was that they have the effect of discouraging Leadership hopefuls from beginning leadership-related membership sales (and associated campaign activity) on September 1, rather than say, when leadership is actually called.<br /><br />What it comes down to is one either wants a leadership race in short order or one doesn't. <br /><br />I don't.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03205326636138161213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-37806476363810826842011-06-16T15:09:17.759-04:002011-06-16T15:09:17.759-04:00I see CalgaryGrit's point in his observation a...I see CalgaryGrit's point in his observation about the National Executive elections but my response would be that the Board's proposed amendment should be narrowed to have the leadership vote in the first few months of 2013.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03205326636138161213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-67389194193895225132011-06-16T15:04:48.283-04:002011-06-16T15:04:48.283-04:00Just to be pedantic and correct Quito's errone...Just to be pedantic and correct Quito's erroneous assertion, it is September 1 that is the membership kick-over date not October 1. <br /><br />National Membership Rules:<br /><br />4.3 Memberships on or after September 1. If a membership takes effect on a date on or after September 1 in any year but before January 1 of the next year, then the membership remains current, in the case of a one year membership, from the date it takes effect until December 31 of the first calendar year that begins after that date and, in the case of two, three, four and five year memberships until December 31 of the second, third, fourth and fifth calendar years that begin after that date.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03205326636138161213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-86183297938536097232011-06-16T09:36:10.631-04:002011-06-16T09:36:10.631-04:00I'd prefer Spring 2012, but this is a better c...I'd prefer Spring 2012, but this is a better compromise. <br /><br />If you give the national exec the power to call the race in 2012 or 2013, it gives them far too much influence (because of the cut-off change Karl mentions)...and basically insures leadership camps will go all out to stack the National Exec elections in January.calgarygrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14496123174056722783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-26671587862709912022011-06-15T20:41:45.616-04:002011-06-15T20:41:45.616-04:00Jeff, your amendment is very close to comments I h...Jeff, your amendment is very close to comments I have made in discussions with my riding executive. I like your wording, and have sent in my support to Liberal.ca... For the record I am an 'ex officio' delegate.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01966241022584123658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-5154968431633270692011-06-15T18:54:32.434-04:002011-06-15T18:54:32.434-04:00OK. Good luck.OK. Good luck.PDOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09224448978718686097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-85733902846260947172011-06-15T18:52:49.737-04:002011-06-15T18:52:49.737-04:00I'm not a delegate, Jeff, but I'll pass it...I'm not a delegate, Jeff, but I'll pass it along to my association members and they'll do with it what they will. I think they'll have a sympathetic ear, though - keep an ear out for Burlington!Kyle H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06049961780427560881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-15707635415206828172011-06-15T18:30:35.614-04:002011-06-15T18:30:35.614-04:00Memberships that are sold after October 1st are go...Memberships that are sold after October 1st are good through the next calendar year for the record. I don't think people will be rushing out in the first week of October to sign new members with a leadership 13-14 months away. I suppose someone organizing for the Biennial might...Quitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411084608040491516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-11022704646171132472011-06-15T18:23:32.131-04:002011-06-15T18:23:32.131-04:00Peter,
Thanks for the note. I had the text vetted...Peter,<br /><br />Thanks for the note. I had the text vetted before submitting it, and just checked again, and I'm told that while the timing is not as neat as the original (as I shortened the window from four months to three) it is constitutional and valid.<br /><br />It would probably be more neat to move the 1(a) date back one month to reflect the Nov. 30th deadline, as that is the real latest date the call could be made to give give months notice to a date within my revised timeframe, although my understanding is it's not technically necessary.<br /><br />The only problem is I'd need to ask everyone who has e-mailed their support to re-send to reflect the revised text, but that may be what I do.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-72590394893115867202011-06-15T18:05:54.403-04:002011-06-15T18:05:54.403-04:00I support your proposal Jeff. It puts a harder de...I support your proposal Jeff. It puts a harder deadline for the end of 2012 and is an equitable compromise. I too would have preferred 12 months.<br /><br />I'm surprised at the statement that the 2013 maximum timeline was put in to discourage membership sales. <br /><br />If someone wants to sell for a Leadership campaign that hasn't started there's nothing stopping them now. Its only an extra $10 after all.KyleHarriethahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00317597687329739631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-59445144390718822282011-06-15T16:30:36.769-04:002011-06-15T16:30:36.769-04:00HEADS UP, JEFF!!!
Your amendment as written is no...HEADS UP, JEFF!!!<br /><br />Your amendment as written is not Constitutional.<br /><br />There has to be five months between the 1(a) date and the second date in 1(b).<br /><br />The way you have it now is August 1 and November 30. This is only four months.<br /><br />August 1 needs to be changed to July 1.<br /><br />Hope this helps.PDOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09224448978718686097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-29401384114192055282011-06-15T15:25:29.951-04:002011-06-15T15:25:29.951-04:00I can't help you there Jeff. I know it is wel...I can't help you there Jeff. I know it is well-intentioned but I see your proposal as the worst of both worlds.<br /><br />Rather than a period for rebuilding prior to a leadership race, you'd have leadership occur more or less instantaneously, as an September 1, 2011 or later membership would then be good all the way through leadership, so you have an incentive to begin membership sales right away. I'd far rather have the option of a 2013 Leadership Vote and spend the next 12 monhts on rebuilding our policy and communications, building up riding organizations, etc. THEN have a leadership, potentially with a wider field than could start to deploy under your approach.<br /><br />Karl LittlerKarlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03205326636138161213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-61007592692550136932011-06-15T14:17:01.664-04:002011-06-15T14:17:01.664-04:00Not a LPC member but agree 100%.Not a LPC member but agree 100%.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547900136161596590noreply@blogger.com