tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post2565342726174848641..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Where's the Harper personality that leads?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-77092903099097880172008-07-08T22:32:00.000-04:002008-07-08T22:32:00.000-04:00"Fair? Probably not. But good politics is rarely f..."Fair? Probably not. But good politics is rarely fair. I think the Harper Cons have taught us that one amply in the past"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Harper really did learn alot from Chretien.. didn't he?Barcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797062032956713967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-29459113064196869732008-07-06T22:24:00.000-04:002008-07-06T22:24:00.000-04:00As I said in the post no one expects Harper to act...As I said in the post no one expects Harper to actually agree to a debate. He has nothing to gain here by elevating Dion. Just like no one expected Duceppe to accept Harper's challenge during the campaign. He had nothing to gain by elevating Harper.<BR/><BR/>That doesn't mean in was the wrong play for Harper during the campaign, and Dion now, to proffer their challenges. Indeed, in both cases it's very good strategy, for the reasons I've already outlined. On this one the Liberals have made a good play. Safely knowing Harper will never accept, they can paint him as afraid. <BR/><BR/>Fair? Probably not. But good politics is rarely fair. I think the Harper Cons have taught us that one amply in the past, so I won't shed any tears for them.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-32616923152453806952008-07-03T21:24:00.000-04:002008-07-03T21:24:00.000-04:00To Mark Francis post 7:05 pm"Why won't Mr.Dion ask...To Mark Francis post 7:05 pm<BR/><BR/>"Why won't Mr.Dion ask Jack Layton to debate him on this hey?"<BR/><BR/>"Gee, because the NDP isn't the government."<BR/><BR/>What an answer we have here. I knew that someone would say something as stupid as this. If we should take your logic here,it would mean that the NDP shouldn't be allowed to participate in the debate in the next election right?<BR/><BR/>The NDP do have a following believe it or not. I could less about their politics,but this is beside the point.<BR/><BR/>"And Harper still hasn't released the regs for his carbon trading plan. A plan which will place a price on carbon, costing high emission regions -- such as Alberta -- a lot of money when they buy carbon credits from lower emission regions, such as a few large provinces out East." <BR/><BR/>Why would Mr.Harper release anything when there is no election on the horizon and give time for your enemies to poke holes in it. Please don't tell that there might be an election this fall.Because I have seen this movie before and it always seems to end the same way. <BR/><BR/>"Unlike the Green Shift, there's no tax cuts." <BR/><BR/>Do you actually think Mark,when the writ is dropped that Mr.Harper will not be promising more tax cuts during the next election campaign? <BR/><BR/>"Strange how we know more about the Opposition's proposal than the governments." <BR/><BR/>The answer to this is simple Mr.Dion is desperate period.You know it and I know it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-62063550520486437572008-07-03T19:05:00.000-04:002008-07-03T19:05:00.000-04:00"Why wont Mr.Dion ask Jack Layton to debate him on..."Why wont Mr.Dion ask Jack Layton to debate him on this hey?"<BR/><BR/>Gee, because the NDP isn't the government.<BR/><BR/>And Harper still hasn't released the regs for his carbon trading plan. A plan which will place a price on carbon, costing high emission regions -- such as Alberta -- a lot of money when they buy carbon credits from lower emission regions, such as a few large provinces out East.<BR/><BR/>Unlike the Green Shift, there's no tax cuts.<BR/><BR/>Strange how we know more about the Opposition's proposal than the governments.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-71806926505338381442008-07-03T19:03:00.000-04:002008-07-03T19:03:00.000-04:00Sorry if this adds me to the list of Koolaiders, R...Sorry if this adds me to the list of Koolaiders, Red, but fact is, Dion's the one who decided to put his show on the road now, during the summer. <BR/><BR/>Kai's right about this: Dion could've intro'd the plan earlier, before the House broke (unless it really needed to be tooled up till the very last minute). And while the oppo can't introduce money bills, is there any reason why the Libs couldn't have used one of their Oppo Day motions to move a motion like "Be it resolved that our GreenShift plan is great", or something - if, that is, Dion is serious about having it debated, rather than tossing down a gauntlet that he probably assumed Harper wouldn't pick up.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, Harper's under no obligation to give Dion or his plan airtime, as much as I'd personally enjoy watching Harper & Dion go head-to-head.<BR/><BR/>If Layton had any sense, he'd volunteer to debate Dion on the topic, since he's going to get even less press than Dion till the House gets back (and beyond).Jason Hickmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17648786726787793783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-18771574913543188372008-07-03T18:05:00.000-04:002008-07-03T18:05:00.000-04:00maybe you can point out something Harper has to ga...maybe you can point out something Harper has to gain from such a debate??<BR/><BR/>No? then why have it? He already has part of the media poo poo'ing the plan. That is what he wants anyway. isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Why give the opposition free airtime when you can watch him fight to be heard and dump on the plan from afar??<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't suppose Dion would like to debate his voting record of opposing the conservative bills in the house this session would he?? Why doesn't he demand a debate on that too?? Simple, it won't benefit him any... same as Harper not debating the green plan.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And Kai is right about timing. The liberals could have released it months ago and tried to get it talked about in parliament and in the media. Instead they roared about scandals like someone not leaving a bing enough tip or someone driving 102 in a 100 zone.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Why is it that you think Harpers leadership ability is tied to following Dion's agenda?? Isn't that a test of Dion's leadership and not Harper's??? Is it Harpers leadership credibility that is damaged because Dion can't get his message out??Barcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797062032956713967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-83905469694072247932008-07-03T17:30:00.000-04:002008-07-03T17:30:00.000-04:00Oh really? I challenge you to provide ONE instance...<I>Oh really? I challenge you to provide ONE instance of me doing that.</I><BR/><BR/>Why, every single time you bring the topic of Kool-Aid up! :D<BR/><BR/>But nice try at changing the channel, Marty.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-13110152981002628052008-07-03T17:12:00.000-04:002008-07-03T17:12:00.000-04:00Jeff why would Mr.Harper give Mr.Dion free air tim...Jeff why would Mr.Harper give Mr.Dion free air time? Why wont Mr.Dion ask Jack Layton to debate him on this hey? Is it because Mr.Dion doesn't want to give Mr.Layton free air time? Why didn't Mr.Dion's liberals bring the government down when they had the chance? He would have had the green debate that he is looking for now.<BR/><BR/>Mr.Dion is desperate he has nothing to lose<BR/>with a debate right know. Mr.Dion has always said that he would bring down the government when he thinks the time is right for the liberals fine. Then why shouldn't this logic also apply to Mr.Harper? Why shouldn't Mr.Harper have the debate when he feels is right for the Conservatives?For example during an election campaign!!! <BR/><BR/>Lets see if you can answer these questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-66231647731358939092008-07-03T17:04:00.000-04:002008-07-03T17:04:00.000-04:00Oh really? I challenge you to provide ONE instance...Oh really? I challenge you to provide ONE instance of me doing that.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-40526547879295228492008-07-03T16:38:00.000-04:002008-07-03T16:38:00.000-04:00Wether it required a money bill or not to introduc...Wether it required a money bill or not to introduce it is immaterial. Dion still could have introduced his plan the exact same way he did outside of Parliament in the media while Parliament was in session and challenged the government with a simple confidence motion, saying that he and the Liberals didn't believe the government was doing a good enough job on the environment. Oh wait, they abandoned their beloved Kyoto during the Throne Speech. Obviously, Dion wasn't really serious then about debate when the chips were on the table. Only when its safe does Dion suddenly and conveniently find his spine for a debate. Real leadership there guys, lol.<BR/><BR/><I>Wolfie — How's that Kool-Aid®? Yummy, I bet.</I><BR/><BR/>You should know Marty; you're the one that is always mixing and drinking it. :DKai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-64989752845364607012008-07-03T16:35:00.000-04:002008-07-03T16:35:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-23916894638476672042008-07-03T16:05:00.000-04:002008-07-03T16:05:00.000-04:00Jeff — Another good post. I've linked to you a cou...Jeff — Another good post. I've linked to you a couple of times on this. Nice going. <BR/><BR/>Wolfie — How's that Kool-Aid®? Yummy, I bet.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-36355451818001852702008-07-03T15:53:00.000-04:002008-07-03T15:53:00.000-04:00Only the government can introduce money bills, and...Only the government can introduce money bills, and so if Dion had attempted to introduce such legislation it would quickly be ruled out of order. So your scenario is false.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-9314031971643009132008-07-03T15:41:00.000-04:002008-07-03T15:41:00.000-04:00There is no way that Dion didn't have this complic...There is no way that Dion didn't have this complicated tax scheme hatched a mere three weeks ago. If Dion <I>seriously</I> wanted to debate this, he could have put it forward as a Bill when Parliament was sitting or defeated this government and debated it during an election campaign. But no, he waited until the very end when summer approached, knowing full well that neither would happen. Coincidental? More like typical. <BR/><BR/>And not only did Dion and the Liberals choose to use their time to browbeat "scandals" that never went anywhere, they also chose to ignore their job as the Official Opposition and sat on their hands on votes regarding issues that are <I>supposed</I> to be at the heart of Liberal principles. <BR/><BR/>Dion had his chance to have a serious debate. This blather about a debate now is obviously a ploy by a desperate Opposition Leader that realizes that this is his last gasp.Kai_Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384866034946359834noreply@blogger.com