tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post3816881203906562016..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: A conversation with YLC presidential candidate John LennardUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-85963832736287941042009-04-29T00:43:00.000-04:002009-04-29T00:43:00.000-04:00An excellent handling of the OMOV-Youth Quota ques...An excellent handling of the OMOV-Youth Quota question, and John is dead right--we can't undercut our legitimacy in the eyes of the rest of the party by demanding special treatment. If the youth want to be heard as equals we must be prepared to act as such. Also, John's plans for recruitment show a clear and direct answer to how we must remedy our dwindling numbers. <br /><br />Brennan R. <br />SaskatoonAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10630901154692294396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-5948514275275732692009-04-28T18:23:00.000-04:002009-04-28T18:23:00.000-04:00All I'll add to what Jeff said is that if Sam want...All I'll add to what Jeff said is that if Sam wants an interview, He knows how to get ahold of me. <br /><br />He needs to show some interest. I'm not going to go begging to him to have one.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-44015671854958567972009-04-28T14:10:00.000-04:002009-04-28T14:10:00.000-04:00Well if John hasn't seen anything from the party t...<I>Well if John hasn't seen anything from the party to indicate this then he hasn't been looking hard enough. </I>This may have been a mistake in my paaphrasing, he may have been saying he's seen no proposals coming he'd support.<br /><br />I'd add though that any major changes to the policy process would rrequire constitutional change, putting it at least two years away. Particularly if the YLC ammendment on requiring policy workshops at convention passes.<br /><br />Re: Bourassa, i queried her at En Famille on that comment on her Web site, which I submitted was unconstitutional. She admitted that's correct, it can't be binding, blah blah. The fact is, the constitution doesn't allow it, and there's no motion to ammend that on the table.<br /><br />Back to John, I may have cut this out but he did indicate that in whatever new policy process may be devised in the future, he will push for the continuance of youth weighting.<br /><br />As for Carolyn, she can want whatever she wants. She's one voice. The debate hads barely begun, and people won't be lining up on the same sides as they did on the leadership OMOV question because, even if the arguments are the same for you, for others they aren't.<br /><br />As for the APC, as I've said before were they to put forward a proposal I'd consider it on its merits. Until then, it's a hypothetical. And on the youth one, I'd be more open to considering a quota that is representative of their % of the population. 25% is double that. I don't support massive overweighting for any group under OMOV. But a number representative to population, to ensure the voice is heard, would be a somewhat more reasonable agument to me, and to many.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-69649125525469196882009-04-28T13:49:00.000-04:002009-04-28T13:49:00.000-04:00Scott: If you are interested you could e-mail him ...Scott: If you are interested you could e-mail him as well, but yes Jeff I would also be curious if Sam or his handlers get back to your e-mail.<br /><br />This is a great interview, props to you Jeff for reaching out to both candidates to get this. <br /><br />John would clearly make a great YLC President as I've said before. He has some great ideas for moving forward and I'm sure the YLC will in fact double it's membership under his leadership (but as I said that would nowhere near bring them towards 25% of the membership as other groups will increase faster).<br /><br />Though I would respectfully disagree with him on one point and would like to bring something new to your attention Jeff.<br /><br /><B>What do you say to those that worry OMOV with no quota for youth will lead to the same for the policy development process?<br /><br />John: </B><I>At this time I'm in favour of continuing with the idea of policy conventions, it makes sense at this time. I haven't seen anything from the party what would change that at this point.</I>Well if John hasn't seen anything from the party to indicate this then he hasn't been looking hard enough. <br /><br />I've cited some here before:<br />Joan Bourassa (who seems VERY likely to be re-elected as VP with the support she's amassed so it's not merely a hypothetical) says right on her campaign website that she very much wants to use En Famille for binding votes and would use OMOV passing at convention as a justification for doing that. There's no mention of quotas, let along even the word youth, anywhere on her website. And she is the clear front-runner that can't be denied.<br /><br />Carolyn Bennett who heads the Change Commission has said EXACTLY the same thing - she wants OMOV for policy, no mention of quotas (I can provide the link to the quote in the Hill Times article if you want). OMOV passing without the YLC amendment will give them the precedent to move forward. OMOV WITH the YLC amendment would ensure the quota remained for policy. It's not difficult logic.<br /><br /><I>So it's simply being in denial to say "I haven't seen anything that would indicate OMOV for leadership would lead to OMOV for policy"</I>I guess it would be good to hear from John whether if we do move to OMOV for policy whether he would support a youth quota then or not since it's not a hypothetical it's clearly on the table and no doubt the Change Commission will recommend it.<br /><br />The other thing I'd like to bring to your attention is that a member of the Aboriginal People's Commission has come out against OMOV because he feels it is going to weaken the voices of Aboriginals. This is what I was saying all along.<br /><br /><I>Saying Aboriginals don't need a "booster seat" simply isn't fair </I> they are FAR more disadvantaged than are youth as a whole and it is MUCH harder to recruit them. I think the argument is actually far stronger for a quota for Aboriginals than for youth (though I would support both, including one for women as I've said before).<br /><br />So Jeff I have one question for you: If OMOV passes this time at the 2011 convention <I>would you support a quota for Aboriginals (say 5 points out of 100 reserved fro them) if it's on the table?</I> Why or why not? I wouldn't mind hearing from John, Scott Tribe and Jim Curran on that too since it's actually not a hypothetical at all it's an extremely real possibility.<br /><br />The APC didn't submit a single constitutional proposal for this convention which tells me they didn't have a chance to meet about it. Hopefully that will be different for 2011 and I'm curious to what your view is on this. Part of the reason I actually want the youth amendment to pass is because I believe it would provide good reason to give a quota to Aboriginals as well and 2011 is still be well in advance of the next leadership race.<br /><br />Note to Scott/Curran: If you are going to reply I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Aboriginal issue, their views I don't think should be dismissed so easily. If Aboriginals vote en masse against OMOV what would be your reaction?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15481948382858467120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-44735253943409795462009-04-28T13:16:00.000-04:002009-04-28T13:16:00.000-04:00I've said today that I let it be known publicly an...I've said today that I let it be known publicly and privately yesterday afternoon to someone who I believe is supporting Sam who asked me if I'd be doing a Sam Lavoe interview as well, that all Sam or his handlers had to do was contact me, and I'd be more then willing to submit interview questions to him.. Some would be the same as John got, but some would be changed because they were specific questions aimed at John and would not have really fit in asking Sam. <br /><br />As I said today, I'm still waiting on a reply or a response... if you'd be so kind to let me know if Sam's camp contacts you back, Jeff.. I'd appreciate that.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.com