tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post6684413033933167418..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Is the immigration insanity set to come north of the border?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-14616055581340950532010-08-20T01:22:49.164-04:002010-08-20T01:22:49.164-04:00"Relatively speaking we don't? We take in..."Relatively speaking we don't? We take in somewhere around 30,000 refugees each year."<br /><br />That's right, but the vast majority of the world's refugees stay withing the region of their country of origin. This means poorer countries take in more refugees than rich ones, which means relatively speaking, Canada does not take in a "lot" of refugees.<br /><br />"Frankly, I don't give a shit how many we take in, what I care about is who we take in and that we as Canadians make the decision. Maybe you can address my post instead of trying to redirect the discussion into some kind of "Canada is racist" bull.""<br /><br />Maybe you can stop being so defensive. Who said anything about Canada being racist? I was merely clarifying that Canada is not taking in more refugees than other countries.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-32218348949048649172010-08-19T23:15:03.886-04:002010-08-19T23:15:03.886-04:00"Have we forgotten that our laws that prevent..."<i>Have we forgotten that our laws that prevent us from blocking ships of immigrants from landing were enacted following the shame of the Holocaust and World War Two, when Canada and many other countries barred our doors to Jewish refugees trying to flee the spread of Nazism?</i>"<br /><br />Jeff, the contrast with the SS St.Louis always bothers me because I am quite concerned that we might do the same somehow. But I was thinking about it and I can see at least one massive difference between the two. The Bremen sailed from Germany and was refused in several countries including the US, Cuba and Canada. The Jews on board had directly left from the country they were persecuted in and never found a safe haven. The Tamils didn't do the same. They had already found a safe haven before they decided to come to a more generous safe haven. To me that is a very large difference. Even if we refused to land all the Tamils they would most likely return to Indonesia and Thailand and not Sri Lanka.The Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00762317244980526077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-8200162890865607052010-08-19T19:19:50.671-04:002010-08-19T19:19:50.671-04:00BCINTO? The right to travel from coast to coast fr...BCINTO? The right to travel from coast to coast freely is a right we Canadians take for granted. Much of the world is not so lucky--they don't enjoy basic human rights.<br /><br />And if we're not careful...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-9004472079569321552010-08-19T13:36:31.407-04:002010-08-19T13:36:31.407-04:00""We take in a lot of refugees each year...""We take in a lot of refugees each year..."<br /><br />Relatively speaking we don't? We take in somewhere around 30,000 refugees each year. Frankly, I don't give a shit how many we take in, what I care about is who we take in and that we as Canadians make the decision. Maybe you can address my post instead of trying to redirect the discussion into some kind of "Canada is racist" bull.The Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00762317244980526077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-8886377006696758182010-08-19T00:22:43.958-04:002010-08-19T00:22:43.958-04:00Wow, so many ommissions of fact where to begin.
W...Wow, so many ommissions of fact where to begin.<br /><br />We have a stellar record on asylum seekers. At present, 90% of the refugees resettled every year are accepted by the United States, Canada and Australia. All European countries together provide roughly six per cent of the world's resettlement opportunities.<br /><br />Bill C11 was put forward, 19 Liberal amendments were included to address illegal immigration.<br /><br />You invoked historical events that showed Canada failed refugees escaping WAR and persecution.<br /><br />Did you offer ANY evidence on this boat they have the same threats? NOPE<br /><br />The EU, US, Australia have stated the CONFLICT is over in Sri Lanka and don't accept boatloads from Sri Lanka.<br />http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2010/08/14/re-how-we-should-deal-with-the-tamil-boat-people/<br />I get it creative and revisionist history and framing this Federal Government as evil and racist is the only hand left.<br />http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2001/pix/PrintPage.asp?REF=/2010/07/11/sec02.asp<br />It did not work on the CP24 debate against Ford and it won't work here.<br /><br />The game is up.<br /><br />http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2010/08/15/tamil-migrant-story-some-facts-for-your-consideration/CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-25739416884392615432010-08-18T20:23:49.831-04:002010-08-18T20:23:49.831-04:00"We take in a lot of refugees each year...&qu..."We take in a lot of refugees each year..."<br /><br />Says who?<br /><br />Relatively speaking, we don't.<br /><br />Wilson - I suppose if they did not have a protest you would be more sympathetic???Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-76328847692405160132010-08-18T16:51:17.211-04:002010-08-18T16:51:17.211-04:00And now the Tamils are having yet another protest ...And now the Tamils are having yet another protest rally, in Ottawa on Monday.<br />Reason: Canadian laws are racist.<br />They are not helping themselves with events like this, imo<br /><br />http://noii-ottawa.blogspot.com/2010/08/support-tamil-migrants.htmlwilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-60432569949702803842010-08-18T16:50:06.045-04:002010-08-18T16:50:06.045-04:00you really nailed it, Jeff. Long term planning is...you really nailed it, Jeff. Long term planning is needed as we will see many more refugees as climate change makes places unlivable and genocide results over land wars. But the Harper approach is opportunistic, as usual. Short sighted, geared to garner votes rather than deal with the situation now and long term.<br /><br />Stirring up hatred and fear by lying is very troubling as well. We've seen other leaders use that tactic throughout history, and it leads to more hatred, more fear, and a lot of bloodshed.900ft Jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882830831096870992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-43821473792440380802010-08-18T12:45:47.058-04:002010-08-18T12:45:47.058-04:00"Short-term, I believe we should process thes...<i>"Short-term, I believe we should process these people through the refugee process; those who meet the criteria (legitimate fear for their safety, persecution, etc.) can stay; those who do not should go."</i><br /><br />How many, Jeff? That's the issue here. We take in a lot of refugees each year and our government supports them in many ways including welfare and free medical care. There are millions of legitimate refugees in the world, if they all showed up would you want to accept them all? If not then the debate is how many and how do we choose? And <b>THAT</b> is the real question as far as I am concerned. We in Canada must be able to control who we allow into our country. Right now we accept refugee applicants from around the world. We don't accept them all, however, so there must be some criteria being applied as to which we accept. But the second any refugee hits the beach or an airport those criteria are gone, apparently. That really cannot be allowed to continue. <br /><br />I especially have an issue with refugees showing up in Canada and filing claims because most of them are country shopping. When Canada takes refugees out of a camp somewhere you know you have helped someone in real need of help. With these Tamils we know they were in Indonesia and Thailand and therefore NOT in immediate danger. They chose to come to Canada not because they were in danger but because Canada will give them the best place to live. Other refugees do the same thing coming in through the US or Europe. They were in safe third countries but chose to make a claim in Canada. Why should we allow refugees to shop for their country of refuge when so many others are unable to do so? Is that the Canadian way?The Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00762317244980526077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-72991246961695358642010-08-18T12:32:41.650-04:002010-08-18T12:32:41.650-04:00Great post!
Harper, by the way, refused to apolog...Great post!<br /><br />Harper, by the way, refused to apologize to the South Asian community (more than just Sikhs were on the Komagata Maru) in Parliament. It would be a simple thing, but Harper does not want it in the record of the land. He also hoped that this wouldn't go mainstream (the news of the apology), so a quiet - almost covert - apology in a small Surrey BC park, rather than the splash of a public apology in Parliament. He doesn't want to piss off many of his more hardcore racist "base". The Sikh community (with the exception of the handful owned by the CPC) were outraged.<br /><br />We continue to see the deliberate deconstruction of the Canada that had been known to be the most welcoming place in the world. I guess we can forget the adage "Give me your tired, your weak, your huddled masses..." (America has). I guess we only want the huddled masses if they are from particular nations and religious backgrounds.<br /><br />What a shame.WesternGrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06658358114507615351noreply@blogger.com