tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post8351984240175243111..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Re-frame the question: Who will make Parliament work?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-20224210760565586622010-06-08T11:15:54.002-04:002010-06-08T11:15:54.002-04:00Perhaps, Mark, he could try making his point more ...Perhaps, Mark, he could try making his point more clearly. He spends 600 words trashing the very idea of any kind of coalition, sticks in one line about how maybe they're not so bad (just shut up about them, apparently) and then ends with don't worry, be happy. While I agree with some of his points, I disagree with more of them, including some of what he said last night on P&P.<br /><br />I don't have a problem with Scott Reid. I'm sure he's a swell guy. But I have a problem with the sort of Liberal mentality that Scott has come to embody, rightly or wrongly, as he did on P&P (and Ian Davey did in his clueless op/ed): that we're Canada's natural governing party, that our spell out of power is an aberration, that we don't need to do any deep-thinking besides a little better strategic execution, and because god loves us we'll be back in power once Canadians wake-up and realize Stephen Harper us evil.<br /><br />I exaggerate for emphasis, but the point is this is the old thinking that has dominated in this party for far too long, it's delusional, and we'll continue to spiral into the abyss until we wake the hell up.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-71600953112513173532010-06-08T11:01:11.907-04:002010-06-08T11:01:11.907-04:00How could you possibly draw either of those two co...How could you possibly draw either of those two conclusions from the piece?<br /><br />Here's a direct quote on your first point:<br /><br /><br />"Post-electoral coalitions of a formal and informal nature have populated minority parliaments frequently over the past century and Liberals have often taken part. Consideration of such coalitions should definitely be maintained in future. <br /><br />The idea of a coalition formed in advance of an election is quite a separate matter."<br /><br />I couldn't find anything in the piece that remortely suggested we sit around and "wait for Harper to fail", but I did see this: <br /><br />"There is an obvious and superior alternative: Do better. Improve the effort, sharpen the message and bring the fight."<br /><br />Maybe you should have spent a little more time reading the article and a little less attacking the author.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16287295355147760571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-58285050106232037522010-06-08T07:32:59.940-04:002010-06-08T07:32:59.940-04:00Mark, Scott had wanted a post-election coalition r...Mark, Scott had wanted a post-election coalition ruled out. I did not. <br /><br />He also seemed under the impression all we need to do is wait for Harper to fail, and we'll reclaim our rightful place in the corridors of power. I think that's the kind of dumb-ass thinking that has contributed to our continual slide into mediocrity.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-88540888835651227042010-06-07T23:54:15.009-04:002010-06-07T23:54:15.009-04:00Re-framing the question is much easier with bucket...Re-framing the question is much easier with buckets full of cash or an MSM that is willing to report your beliefs.<br /><br />If this what we will run on, let's do that. But let's shout it from the mountain tops until all hear and understand it. Half-assed messages are the easiest to attack.MississaugaPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399677268317787642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-44031807471053465522010-06-07T22:29:47.810-04:002010-06-07T22:29:47.810-04:00I couldn't quite understand your post from the...I couldn't quite understand your post from the other day. You slagged Scott's column and then more or less agreed with all that it had to say. Glad to see your focus is where it should be: bringing our numbers up and subjecting Harper to the kind of scrutiny that will - in time - bring his down. <br /><br />Much preferable to the Chicken Little types who are getting up every morning with a new theory on how we're doomed and must therefore follow whatever desperate path to the government teat looks good this week.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16287295355147760571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-43651845798624884402010-06-07T18:59:34.959-04:002010-06-07T18:59:34.959-04:00"...people are growing accustomed to this coa..."...people are growing accustomed to this coalition talk, it's less of a boogeyman everyday, we just need to move from defence to offence and place Harper as the real obstacle to good government."<br /><br />Exactly. There is no reason why the issue of a coalition should not be dealt with straight on, and in the way Ignatieff has done.<br /><br />People are getting sick and tired of the game playing. The liberals just have to make people hold the conservatives responsible for those games.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-3144476140339446142010-06-07T18:48:02.410-04:002010-06-07T18:48:02.410-04:00Couldn't agree more. We need to turn this que...Couldn't agree more. We need to turn this question back to a discussion about Harper's failure to unite people, frame him as the divider and Ignatieff as the one who can reach out. Ignatieff isn't the career politician, he isn't the hyper partisan, we can actually use his past to advantage here, he can share Canadians disgust at how Parliament operates, how he wants to make it work, in a way we can be proud of.<br /><br />I'm actually excited about where this is going, people are growing accustomed to this coalition talk, it's less of a boogeyman everyday, we just need to move from defence to offence and place Harper as the real obstacle to good government. The buck stops there, he's lead the most divisive Parliament in our history, Ignatieff can play the "unifer". That word might just be the most important one he's uttered to date, it will resonate, it speaks to the mood.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.com