tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post8720894581733274048..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Slim Liberal lead on the environmentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-14956076404579917832008-07-08T13:49:00.000-04:002008-07-08T13:49:00.000-04:00Mark, I made much the same point, though less eloq...Mark, I made much the same point, though less eloquently, the other day. And as JimBobby says too with an excellent point, it's also a health issue. It's all interconnected.<BR/><BR/>Mike, similar points could be made with all the numbers, and for most of the parties. Some Cons, for example, don't trust them on the war. While it can be fun at times, there's probably not too much value directly comparing issue numbers to horserace numbers, unless there are wide gaps, and then only I think if broken down further: ie., if a certain % of those identified as Lib supporters don't trust the party, or trust another, on a certain issue. I find the issue numbers useful for in isolation, who is trusted more where and on what, and what the spreads are.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-13546487658958406012008-07-08T10:39:00.000-04:002008-07-08T10:39:00.000-04:00Mark Francis said... Here's where the Libs need...Mark Francis said...<BR/><BR/> <I>Here's where the Libs need to do work: The environment issue before us is an economic issue, because, fundamentally, over-reliance on oil is costing us economically.</I><BR/><BR/>JimBobby sez:<BR/><BR/> Here's where the Libs need to do work: The environment issue before us is a healthcare issue, because, fundamentally, over-reliance on oil is polluting the air and contributing to "bad air days" that kill 9000 Canadians in ON and QC every year. It's costing us economically, for sure. <BR/><BR/>For each premature death, there's is an exponential number of emergency room visits and follow-up doctors' visits. The cost of a dirty environment is in the billions. More importantly, a dirty environment is responsible for the unnecessary suffering and death of thousands of Canadians.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-29470552663556336882008-07-08T02:10:00.000-04:002008-07-08T02:10:00.000-04:00I'd say that one of the better reasons to believe ...I'd say that one of the better reasons to believe these numbers is that the Conservatives seem to have no lack of willing (and possibly compensated) stooges spamming the entire Internet with their agitprop. <BR/><BR/>As for the environmental numbers, well, think about it. That 18% is almost certainly that segment of the population that believes that the Conservatives are better at <I>everything</I>. They can't be shifted, can't be touched, they're almost certainly better off ignored. <BR/><BR/>(Or even mocked, if it gets you votes from friendlier sources. Mocking the far left is common enough fodder for Conservatives, and turnabout goes both ways.)<BR/><BR/>The low numbers outside of the crazy 18 is likely because you've got one "social conscience" party in the NDP that are probably more trusted to actually follow through on promises since they're unlikely to get elected, and another party that has [i]built its platform around green issues[/i]. It's going to be a bit tricky to convince people that the Liberals--a party that doesn't even seem to really <B>like</B> policy much--is willing to bet itself on anything, much less the environment. <BR/><BR/>But hey, that's where Dion's strong, right? He's not your typical "slippery Liberal", focused on the next election and vote-rich constituencies. For better or worse, he's cut from different cloth.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-20929266913284135182008-07-08T00:56:00.000-04:002008-07-08T00:56:00.000-04:00Canadians are just dumb enough to vote for the tax...Canadians are just dumb enough to vote for the tax-me-more-party!!!<BR/>Heard it said the other day, if everyone got on board for the next ten years and acutally reduced CO2 emissions by 10% and a cost of Trillions of Dollars, we could lower the temperature of the Globe by .003 Degrees. And you thought last winter was cold.<BR/>But at least with Dion's plan, fewer people will have to go out in the cold . . . most will be out of work!!!Oldschoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090598978543658398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-42243178991763896242008-07-07T21:15:00.000-04:002008-07-07T21:15:00.000-04:0021% support the Libs on the environment?There's so...21% support the Libs on the environment?<BR/><BR/>There's something fishy there. If the Libs are (let's say) at 30% in the polls, that means 1 out of every 3 Lib supporters doesn't trust their own party on the environment.<BR/><BR/>I guess re-distribution of the undecideds brings it up to about 30%. But it's all a little strange to me.Mike514https://www.blogger.com/profile/18375380983427133078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-60809477008558667292008-07-07T13:03:00.000-04:002008-07-07T13:03:00.000-04:00The numbers are strange until you realize that a l...The numbers are strange until you realize that a lot of people don't think anything needs to be done, and even get angry at the idea that it does. After all, that's what their role models do.Geekwadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09638962621983050743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-19930023314755922462008-07-07T12:18:00.000-04:002008-07-07T12:18:00.000-04:00Here's where the Libs need to do work: The environ...Here's where the Libs need to do work: The environment issue before us is an economic issue, because, fundamentally, over-reliance on oil is costing us economically.<BR/><BR/>Both the conservatives and the NDP want to do only cap-and-trade, without any financial relief for consumers. (Well, the NDP would do something, but they'd have to raise taxes to find the cash.) One of the problems with cap-and-trade is that in commodifying carbon emissions, you never quite know what the price of those emissions will be. In Europe, it hit $100/tonne.<BR/><BR/>The Green Shift will get us down the emissions-reduction road sooner, and when we get into cap-and-trade, esp. internationally, we will be better situated competitively.<BR/><BR/>I see that the ongoing myth that conservatives are good with money continues. Harper is spending like a drunk.<BR/><BR/>I will try to get around to dissecting the other parties' plans this week.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-5516127611647499612008-07-07T12:14:00.000-04:002008-07-07T12:14:00.000-04:00Which I talked about yesterday, and were released ...Which I talked about yesterday, and were released previously.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-50823873369997030342008-07-07T11:59:00.000-04:002008-07-07T11:59:00.000-04:00The rest of the story:Jobs and the economyConserva...The rest of the story:<BR/><BR/>Jobs and the economy<BR/><BR/>Conservatives - 32% <BR/>Liberals - 24% <BR/>NDP - 8% <BR/>Bloc - 3% <BR/>Greens - 1% <BR/>None - 16% <BR/>Unsure - 16% <BR/><BR/><BR/>The War in Afghanistan<BR/><BR/>Conservatives - 28% <BR/>Liberals - 22% <BR/>NDP - 8% <BR/>Bloc - 3% <BR/>Greens - 2% <BR/>None - 20% <BR/>Unsure - 18%wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.com