tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post2281969583198271723..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: NDP puts its flawed unity policy on the table for 2015 electionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-77000010507506087162013-01-30T16:18:48.414-05:002013-01-30T16:18:48.414-05:00
Also, Mr Jedras: what do you mean by *former* sov...<br />Also, Mr Jedras: what do you mean by *former* sovereigntists in the NDP caucus? Vancouveroishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612421378173745791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-42488381706179340532013-01-30T10:18:12.283-05:002013-01-30T10:18:12.283-05:00Next, Mulcair must be forced to say clearly whethe...<i>Next, Mulcair must be forced to say clearly whether he supports the right of the Cree and other aboriginal nations in Quebec to keep their territories as part of Canada after a Yes vote. </i><br /><br />The Cree don't seem to be a fan of just going along for the ride when it comes to Quebec Separation -- or that's the impression I get from the articles from <a href="http://www.gcc.ca/gcc/querelations.php" rel="nofollow">The Grand Council of the Cree. </a> (Some of the articles are quite blunt: Quebec Agrees to Negotiate, Kidnap Crees First But "Negotiate"; 50 Percent Plus One Vote Insufficient.) <br /><br />The link to the one on Bill 99 is down, but if you're curious here's an <a href="http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/archives/nunavut000430/nvt20414_09.html" rel="nofollow">article on it.</a><br /><br />It'll be interesting to see how the NDP straddles this issue.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-21827714851750124112013-01-29T19:20:52.323-05:002013-01-29T19:20:52.323-05:00As you may recall, I've been saying for a long...<br />As you may recall, I've been saying for a long time now that the Liberal Party should press the NDP on the national unity issue. I'm disappointed that it took the Bloc to bring it to the forefront instead.<br /><br />Next, Mulcair must be forced to say clearly whether he supports the right of the Cree and other aboriginal nations in Quebec to keep their territories as part of Canada after a Yes vote. Vancouveroishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612421378173745791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-31094989919759388242013-01-29T19:18:28.691-05:002013-01-29T19:18:28.691-05:00As you may recall, I've been saying for a long...<br />As you may recall, I've been saying for a long time now that the Liberal Party should press the NDP on the national unity issue. I'm disappointed that it's taken the Bloc to bring this to the forefront instead. <br /><br />Next, Mulcair must be forced to give a clear answer on whether he supports the rights of the Cree and other aboriginal nations in Quebec to have their territories remain a part of Canada after a Yes vote. Vancouveroishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612421378173745791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-45168025813952405502013-01-29T19:10:34.004-05:002013-01-29T19:10:34.004-05:00@leftdog: In democracies, changes to the constitut...@leftdog: In democracies, changes to the constitution require a damn sight more than just 50%+1 of the vote in a single subdivision of the country. It generally has to be a vote of the entire population, and the threshold is almost universally set at two thirds (67%) or even three quarters (75%). Separation would be a constitutional change.<br /><br />As for military force, I don't know that anyone would be keen to use military force to keep unwilling Quebec citizens in Canada. However, the government would have an absolute obligation to protect loyal Canadians in Quebec who DIDN'T choose to accept Quebec's completely illegal unilateral declaration of independence in the face of separatist use of violence to force them to conform. THAT is where any violence would definitely start. <br /><br />I'm also looking forward to your answer to sharonapple's question about the NDP's ridiculous promise to guarantee 25% of Commons seats to Quebec in perpetuity. How does that square with your version of democracy?Vancouveroishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612421378173745791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-76322919246064649692013-01-29T15:31:44.041-05:002013-01-29T15:31:44.041-05:0050% + 1 is better known as DEMOCRACY ... (a concep...<i>50% + 1 is better known as DEMOCRACY ... (a concept that is beyond Cdn Liberals & Conservatives who for a century and a half have accepted that 37% can form a Majority government in the nation AND have consistently perpetuated an unelected/appointed Upper House of Parliament).</i><br /><br />Hey, the NDP rule with majority governments in Manitoba and Nova Scotia even though they both got less than 50% of the vote (46.16% and 45.24% respectively). Speaking of 37%, back when the NDP won in 1990 in Ontario, they got 37.6% of the vote and 56% of the seats... and I didn't see anyone stepping down because this was "undemocratic."<br /><br />Also want to point out that if you're going to talk about democracy, what's your take on the NDP's proposal to give Quebec a <a href="http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/10/17/james-w-j-bowden-favouring-quebec-in-parliament-is-illegal/" rel="nofollow">fixed proportion of seats in the House of Commons</a> -- democratic, or undemocratic. (Democracy: all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives)<br /><br /><i>Great, does that mean Mulcair will let B.C. out of Ottawa's pen on a 50+1 vote? That will certainly make life easier in the aftermath of the Northern Gateway battles. Seems to me he'd have to let somebody out, B.C. or Alberta.</i><br /><br />Sorry, <a href="http://www.pierreducasse.ca/IMG/pdf/Declaration_Sherbrooke_ENG_V2.pdf" rel="nofollow">Sherebrooke Declaration</a> for Quebec only. It's the beauty of asymmetrical federation (pg 5-6). sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-43426003753379653812013-01-29T14:49:32.252-05:002013-01-29T14:49:32.252-05:00Great, does that mean Mulcair will let B.C. out of...Great, does that mean Mulcair will let B.C. out of Ottawa's pen on a 50+1 vote? That will certainly make life easier in the aftermath of the Northern Gateway battles. Seems to me he'd have to let somebody out, B.C. or Alberta.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-84468777311195240822013-01-29T11:44:23.492-05:002013-01-29T11:44:23.492-05:0050% + 1 is better known as DEMOCRACY ... (a concep...50% + 1 is better known as DEMOCRACY ... (a concept that is beyond Cdn Liberals & Conservatives who for a century and a half have accepted that 37% can form a Majority government in the nation AND have consistently perpetuated an unelected/appointed Upper House of Parliament).<br /><br />Liberals, it would seem, seem prepared to use military force to prevent Quebec from leaving, should that scenario EVER materialize. leftdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936887870919391739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-24638483851218213702013-01-29T11:07:53.944-05:002013-01-29T11:07:53.944-05:00Hear hear, Jeff. Its our duty as Liberals to ensur...Hear hear, Jeff. Its our duty as Liberals to ensure that this PMB doesn't move out of the spotlight by 2015; I want to ensure every voter out there knows that the NDP not only brought up Constitutional squabbling again, but they're trying to break a system that took so long to fix.Kyle H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06049961780427560881noreply@blogger.com