tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post4159723878795783345..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: (Video) Stephen Harper's undemocratic coalitionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-13956444593126261992009-09-09T15:49:00.773-04:002009-09-09T15:49:00.773-04:00CS,
I'm sorry, I don't quite follow what ...CS,<br /><br />I'm sorry, I don't quite follow what you're asking.<br /><br />Michael,<br /><br />I did see the Flanagan story, and i think a few people posted the letter in the comments there.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-1968919479459317222009-09-09T14:47:11.092-04:002009-09-09T14:47:11.092-04:00I disagree with Rick Barnes. The discussion betwee...<i>I disagree with Rick Barnes. The discussion between Harper, Duceppe and Layton was different in that it occurred immediately following an election. Their letter was dated August, nearly two months before parliament convened and the first throne speech of the Martin minority government was read in October. The election was in June.</i><br /><br />I think you are arguing semantics. Bob Rae (then NDP leader) and David Peterson (Liberal Leader) formed an agreement prior to the house convening in Ontario. <br /><br />The time frames were not long in all three cases. There was nothing undemocratic in any of them. We do not elect PM's or Premiers. We elect MP's. The MP's decide who will lead a government and if that Government has the confidence of the house. <br /><br />As a matter of course the person who was the PM or Premier remains until there is evidence there is no confidence in them. That evidence can be displayed as with Bob Rae and David Peterson prior to convening the house or after in a non confidence motion as could have happened with the LPC and NDP coalition with support of the Bloc.<br /><br />The GG of course may do as they will.rickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824176585273550263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-47244566923105729502009-09-09T13:18:53.149-04:002009-09-09T13:18:53.149-04:00"Can you list me of example of smaller partie..."Can you list me of example of smaller parties denying a coalition and forming one against the party with the largest seats six weeks after a General Election."<br /><br />Why is this relevant? Does it change the rules of parliamentary democracy when the coalition forms 6 weeks after an election?<br /><br />In any event, I would point out that in the famous King Byng affair, King did not even wait 5 weeks. He decided he would continue to govern with the support of the Progressives, despite the fact the conservatives won more seats.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-75286389689592479462009-09-09T12:21:24.045-04:002009-09-09T12:21:24.045-04:00For that matter, why not post it as a comment righ...For that matter, why not post it as a comment right on the G&M site?archivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636882677964429736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-31072764252052004572009-09-09T12:19:22.684-04:002009-09-09T12:19:22.684-04:00Have you seen the comment in today's Globe by ...Have you seen the comment in today's Globe by Tom Flanagan re: attacking the coalition idea (true or not)?<br /><br />Can you get that letter you've posted to the right people?archivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636882677964429736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-65189369376281439992009-09-09T11:34:49.706-04:002009-09-09T11:34:49.706-04:00Jeff are you suggesting the opposition were intere...Jeff are you suggesting the opposition were interested in avoiding an election and forming a coalition?<br /><br />If they did, I would as a Canadian voter be upset and would have not voted for any party in that "coalition".<br /><br />I think it is wrong to deny a coalition of smaller parties.<br /><br />In Western Democracies most coalitions exist with the major party working with a smaller party.<br /><br />Can you list me of example of smaller parties denying a coalition and forming one against the party with the largest seats six weeks after a General Election.<br /><br />At the time of the "faux" crisis I was unable to find a similar example.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-91687956955697312702009-09-09T06:24:00.382-04:002009-09-09T06:24:00.382-04:00I disagree with Rick Barnes. The discussion betwe...I disagree with Rick Barnes. The discussion between Harper, Duceppe and Layton was different in that it occurred immediately following an election. Their letter was dated August, nearly two months before parliament convened and the first throne speech of the Martin minority government was read in October. The election was in June. <br /><br />Dion, Duceppe and Layton voted on the first throne speech of this government. Their coalition talk, at least as far as we know, was the result of the conservatives' economic statement.<br /><br />In other words, the Dion coalition attempt was the direct result, and in defiance, of government actions.Loraine Lamontagnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12512459284158685617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-60198599759567617832009-09-08T18:06:34.454-04:002009-09-08T18:06:34.454-04:00The Cons reliance on short vote attention span is ...The Cons reliance on short vote attention span is all part of the same mentality that vilifies education, culture, etc. as somehow out of touch with the common man. <br /><br />My dad the cop wanted nothing more than for the next generation to do better, learn more, advance themselves. <br /><br />Makes me want to be even more of an intellectual snob!archivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636882677964429736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-29385039343994782152009-09-08T11:55:02.226-04:002009-09-08T11:55:02.226-04:00Really Aaron, the day I take advice on stupid name...Really Aaron, the day I take advice on stupid names from a Blogging Tory is the day when, I don't know, I'm drawing a blank here. It's the day when something very unlikely happens, is the point.<br /><br />As for the second point, hey, I'm perfectly happy to have a debate on public policy and vision for the country. But if the Conservatives are determined to run on the coalition bogeyman, and by all evidence they are, don't think I'm not going to point out the sheer harpocracy of it.<br /><br />I'll now pause so you can kvetch about my use of the word harpocracy.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-32112115930473284822009-09-08T11:52:32.804-04:002009-09-08T11:52:32.804-04:00Harper of course knows the public have a short mem...Harper of course knows the public have a short memory. The coalition discussion then was no different than the discussions with the Liberals, Bloc and NDP in December of 2008rickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824176585273550263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-73856509159486339202009-09-08T11:50:07.102-04:002009-09-08T11:50:07.102-04:00"Reformatories" - Really, Jeff? I mean,..."Reformatories" - <i>Really</i>, Jeff? I mean, <i>really</i>? You may recall how ineffective and stupid the "Lieberal" meme was? Well Reformatories is about on the same level. (Just because Warren Kinsella does it doesn't mean it's a good idea)<br /><br />As for undemocratic coalitions, hey, if you want to spend lots of time reminding folks about various permutations of them throughout recent history, please do!!!ALWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00875223933170574566noreply@blogger.com