tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post4223181476241278351..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: Green shift, what green shift? Live-blogging energy, environment, and economy at Canada at 150Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-10770738819162764102010-03-28T12:24:12.891-04:002010-03-28T12:24:12.891-04:00sadly gayle, for all of the excellent commentary f...sadly gayle, for all of the excellent commentary from the floor and from some of the panellists i have to question whether the invisible policies of michael ignatieff's version of the lpc will be at all bold. to date he and his caucus have not acted as an opposition party but more as a party trying to weasel its way back into power by propping up, enabling and thus sharing blame/responsibility for the harper regime. the liberals we are pretending might be bold here are also the same pack of bought and paid for hacks that are in the pocket of the media conglomerates, resource companies and the church lady lobby. i maintain that the conference will be a nice diversion while the party will continue on its merry path of mediocrity and centre right pandering.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-66491594316627730702010-03-27T17:46:57.707-04:002010-03-27T17:46:57.707-04:00Hi, a question that I hope you will ask this gover...Hi, a question that I hope you will ask this government Jeff is why did the MP's not take the time to study the carbon tax as was presented by Mr. Dion. <br /><br />They didn't even try and therefore were not supporting their leader or able to clearly explain it to all Canadians's at least on National Television and the Media who simply prints their own opinions instead of the actual story.<br /><br /> I sensed that they were not even trying and if they want our support, they had better change their tune and do so now. that includes you Mr. Ignatieff too.<br /><br />If they won't listen, they do not deserve our support.mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878825121729826425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-17188297399740260892010-03-27T17:34:52.546-04:002010-03-27T17:34:52.546-04:00Gayle,
a) Opposition are attacking Payroll tax in...Gayle,<br /><br />a) Opposition are attacking Payroll tax increase?<br />b) HST?<br /><br />c)29 Liberal dont show to vote against buget in March 2010.<br /><br /><br />Ontario voted 51% for Liberals in 2000, 100/103 seats, NDP 1 seat, Alliance 2,PC 0, Green 0. Quebec 36 Lib seats. 136 of 172 majority in 301 Parliament.<br /><br />Ontario has dropped RED for Blue/Orange.<br /><br />QC dropped Red for Purple/BlueCanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-61120327370138599022010-03-27T17:04:42.652-04:002010-03-27T17:04:42.652-04:00"Clearly raising taxes is the key to winning ..."Clearly raising taxes is the key to winning power for the left!"<br /><br />And with that CS proves my point about the CPC doing what is politically expedient rather than what is necessary for the country.<br /><br />Lindsay - I agree that Ignatieff undermined Dion, and that is one reason why I do not like him either. That said, if the party is going to come forward with bold policies designed to lead the country through the changing economy, then I am more than willing to support him and the liberals.<br /><br />As Eugene said - these policies need to be sold. I have long understood the need to keep policies secret so the CPC will not steal them, but the CPC is NOT going to steal a carbon tax.<br /><br />If the LPC start selling it now, will Harper give them enough time to do so before he pulls the plug???Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-922360656257732422010-03-27T16:54:38.239-04:002010-03-27T16:54:38.239-04:00as one of the so-called progressives, i have to sa...as one of the so-called progressives, i have to say that i simply do not trust ignatieff. i do not like ignatieff and his version of the liberals. my sincere feeling is that ignatieff and his cadre of right of centre wonks actively undermined stephane dion. they hung the only half way decent leader that pitiful party has had in many long years out to dry and they helped kill his leadership and his progressive and necessary initiatives. <br /><br />i won't vote for an ignatieff led liberal party. what ever comes out of this weekend of gabbing won't matter a lick because i simply don't trust ignatieff to do the right thing, especially if it is a difficult political sell. the dude has ball bearings in the heels of his shoes he spins so much. i watched a bunch of stuff today and just ended up shaking my head. this is a party with no spine, no conviction to do the right thing.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-6638098164082417592010-03-27T16:14:37.478-04:002010-03-27T16:14:37.478-04:00"Phelps says you need a carbon tax. Me and th..."Phelps says you need a carbon tax. Me and the other five Dionistas in the room applaud, the rest shudder uncomfortably." Someone referred me to this on your twitter feed and it made me laugh out loud. Funier than blog version I just found. We've all written about this many times, of course. As I've said, many times, I kept & won a lot of votes at the door with Green Shift, but it took 5min. And that is 4min30sec more than you want to spend at door. But having brought it into consciousness, having finally got media to understand it, made Canadians more aware, having one coming in USA soonish, Obama-effect, etc.., it is winnable. If you come back with it, you, as noted, show real courage. No "wimpy liberal" meme possible. Media referees will agree. Better chance to win on substance. It would be a totemic, all or nothing, proposition. Buy into Brave New Strong Liberal Brand...or not. But if Carbon Tax can be sold, and gains popularity, then all the rest of platform and party gets a shine as well. If not, then party loses.<br /><br />But given prevailing conditions, our chances of winning plurality (don't even bother dreaming of majority) depend on gamechanger. Pro-Democracy movement is no. 1. And no.2 may be carbon tax.<br /><br />See Kennedy Stewart: "Most importantly, opposition parties need to recapture the Canadian imagination with innovative policy proposals. These need to be as big as instituting a Guaranteed Minimum Income, pulling out of NATO or even reconnecting Canada by recommitting to rail. Although painful for the Liberals to admit, former leader Stephane Dion may have had the right idea with his carbon tax: try something big you believe in and stick with it. With this approach, even if you fail, at least you went down swinging. Moreover, if you lack the necessary gumption for such bold moves, then stand aside and let those who do lead."<br /><br />http://communities.canada.com/VANCOUVERSUN/blogs/communityofinterest/archive/2009/12/30/proroguing-harper-outmaneuvers-struggling-ignatieff-and-layton.aspx<br /><br />He also has some very pertinent advice about political climate. It took detainees, CAPP, etc., to bring LPC up to about par with CPC. This is a 2nd chance, contrary to what KS thought. But as he said, must have gumption to go for it. Stand up for democracy, and go all-in, as much as it takes. The perfect is the enemy of the good: Political Golden Rule.<br /><br />http://communities.canada.com/VANCOUVERSUN/blogs/communityofinterest/archive/2009/11/21/doomed-ignatieff-broke-political-golden-rule.aspxEugene Forsey Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538109652483033119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-38820540487431560192010-03-27T15:33:40.465-04:002010-03-27T15:33:40.465-04:00Introducing a Carbon Tax Policy without a matching...Introducing a Carbon Tax Policy without a matching in the U.S. is the right one?<br /><br />Okay!<br /><br />Germany gave their emitters a pass to protect their industry. France retreated recently.<br /><br />The U.S. has done ZERO on this file.<br /><br />China and India have told the G8 to stuff it.<br /><br />And adding taxes to a country responsible for exporting its energy to the US and it only 2% of the AGW Carbon Ponzi scheme.<br /><br />Gayle your right! <br /><br />GST, HST are very popular taxes!<br /><br />Lets include the Tobin tax too!<br /><br />Clearly raising taxes is the key to winning power for the left!CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-61488743344407723702010-03-27T14:53:42.541-04:002010-03-27T14:53:42.541-04:00I was watching the tail end of that last discussio...I was watching the tail end of that last discussion.<br /><br />Further to my comment on the media interview thread, and in addition to something I said over on Steve's blog...<br /><br />I certainly hope that while the media are watching for the breakthrough or failure of Ignatieff's political career, they are also paying attention to what these speakers are saying.<br /><br />The truth is we currently have a government that is not interested in making decisions that are to the benefit of the country if those decisions might negatively impact their party. If the LPC are going to make a statement and differentiate themselves from the CPC, I think the biggest and best way they can do that is to create policy that may not be the most politically safe, but is clearly designed to get Canada through the challenges we are facing over the next decade.<br /><br />The media, hopefully, will focus on the intent of the policy rather than suggest it is political suicide.<br /><br />Maybe, hopefully, bringing the public and the media in on these discussions will show them where the ideas are from, and why the proposals are being made.<br /><br />For example, the carbon tax was the right policy. If the LPC propose it again maybe the media can concentrate on the policy rather than on the leadership troubles of the party leader???Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-71277163940454346822010-03-27T14:15:31.395-04:002010-03-27T14:15:31.395-04:00Hundred of millions of dollars are being deployed ...Hundred of millions of dollars are being deployed to provide clean safe drinking water in Canada.<br /><br />Did not know that was nothing on the environment.<br /><br />Millions are being spent in replacing diesel in remote northern communties so they can run cleaner, more stable sources of energy.<br /><br />Just curious if you think it is too early grade the first day?<br /><br />I am interested in your Report A-F on real ideas from your perspective.<br /><br />Have you bumped in Dion, Krieber, Coderre at the conference?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.com