tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post606936819218814506..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: (UPDATED) Who speaks for the PMO? Apparently not the PMUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-60892152794182468582010-03-18T05:47:34.825-04:002010-03-18T05:47:34.825-04:00JthemM,
thank you for your opinion.Sadly it is no...JthemM,<br /><br />thank you for your opinion.Sadly it is not shared by MP's that sit on the board.<br /><br />I watched Libby Davis admit when questioned about the Board of Internal Economy. (Votes in parliament are not binding)<br /><br />They are "independent" and must have through the years ignored parliament.<br /><br />So unless you have specific examples of Parliament exerting their "super duperness" over the board it is NOT binding.<br /><br />Motions, standing orders, laws can't be ignored?<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />The opposition members on the board did NOT confirm the motion passed in parliament will PREVENT the 10% from continuing.<br /><br />Moral suasion, peer pressure by passing parliament, the opposition can run to media and cry the "meanies" won't listen to us?<br /><br />Parliament passes bills and they have been ignored.<br /><br />We have regulations and laws on the books and they are not being enforced.<br /><br />hmmmmm<br /><br />Fees for long gun registry is an example.<br /><br />The opposition have the tools to stop the government removing confidence.<br /><br />I laugh when they repeat they stand up and state "we don't trust the gov't" and keep passing supply bills.<br /><br />That is doublespeak.<br /><br />Translation we don't like the gov't agenda but the people who vote don't like us enough to replace this gov't. We can't fire them because we suck more.<br /><br />Cheapshot without facts to back up.<br /><br />Sadly you were caught up in the smoke and mirrors called publicity stunts. It is NOT suprising being an apologist. That is what has happened since 2006 for the opposition parties.<br /><br />They flail but can't muster the courage to vote "non-confidence".<br /><br />Paul Martin got fired and the opposition went to the people.<br /><br />The opposition claim Parliament is the people's house but refuse to act and seek their support.<br /><br />Smoke and mirrors.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-79373036299644544772010-03-18T01:31:29.011-04:002010-03-18T01:31:29.011-04:00Maybe Parliament isn't supreme,
seems the boar...Maybe Parliament isn't supreme,<br />seems the board does have exclusive authority over MPs :<br /><br />On June 26, 1990, Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act, was introduced, [304] which closely followed the draft provisions of the Fourth Report. Bill C-79 was designed to give the Board of Internal Economy exclusive authority to determine whether any past, present or proposed use of funds, goods, services or premises available to Members had been, was or would be improper. The Bill received Royal Assent on April 11, 1991. [305] <br /><br />The Parliament of Canada Act empowers the Board to make by-laws governing the use by Members of funds, goods, services and premises made available to them to carry out their parliamentary functions. [306] The Board determines the terms and conditions of managing and accounting for such funds by the Members and has exclusive authority to determine whether such use is or was proper. [307] Members may request from the Board an opinion with respect to such use. [308]wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-2611477411835241072010-03-17T23:00:59.282-04:002010-03-17T23:00:59.282-04:00CanadianSense,not to answer for Jeff, but yes, you...CanadianSense,not to answer for Jeff, but yes, you are missing alot. The HOC directs the activities of the BIE not the Senate. This is a motion, not a bill, therefore does not need Royal assent or a vote in the Senate. So you see, you do have a deficiency, one in understanding how the business of government operates. To me this is no surprise. It has become brutally obvious to most that Conservatives from the lowliest posting troll (see mirror) to the PM and PMO have no understanding of good governance.<br /><br />Now onto you Tom, once again no understanding of governance or process. Has anyone in the CPC ever taken the most rudimantary civics class?<br /><br />Tom campaign fianance is covered under the Elections ACT. I emphasize "act" because that means it is legislation, and therefore part of Canadian Law. We all know about the CPC, and there view of anything in this Act, but I digress. If it is money you want to save the taxpayer Tom, although I suspect different, the elimination of the 75% tax rebate status for contributions is the way to go. It is far more democratic to have a vote count for an equal dollar amount than to allow those with money to contribute at the expense of all taxpayers. You see Tom this rebate actually comes from all taxpayers no matter who they support, doesn't even seem right to you when you see that in print does it. It is actually by far and away the largest susidy to political parties, so that makes the CPC the most subsidized party.<br /><br />Anyways Tom and CanadianSense happy St Patricks day from a Canadian of Irish descent.JtheMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536137116563449229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-79911087485142905242010-03-17T22:59:55.016-04:002010-03-17T22:59:55.016-04:00CanadianSense,not to answer for Jeff, but yes, you...CanadianSense,not to answer for Jeff, but yes, you are missing alot. The HOC directs the activities of the BIE not the Senate. This is a motion, not a bill, therefore does not need Royal assent or a vote in the Senate. So you see, you do have a deficiency, one in understanding how the business of government operates. To me this is no surprise. It has become brutally obvious to most that Conservatives from the lowliest posting troll (see mirror) to the PM and PMO have no understanding of good governance.<br /><br />Now onto you Tom, once again no understanding of governance or process. Has anyone in the CPC ever taken the most rudimantary civics class?<br /><br />Tom campaign fianance is covered under the Elections ACT. I emphasize "act" because that means it is legislation, and therefore part of Canadian Law. We all know about the CPC, and there view of anything in this Act, but I digress. If it is money you want to save the taxpayer Tom, although I suspect different, the elimination of the 75% tax rebate status for contributions is the way to go. It is far more democratic to have a vote count for an equal dollar amount than to allow those with money to contribute at the expense of all taxpayers. You see Tom this rebate actually comes from all taxpayers no matter who they support, doesn't even seem right to you when you see that in print does it. It is actually by far and away the largest susidy to political parties, so that makes the CPC the most subsidized party.<br /><br />Anyways Tom and CanadianSense happy St Patricks day from a Canadian of Irish descent.JtheMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536137116563449229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-91015699980493729422010-03-17T20:21:36.965-04:002010-03-17T20:21:36.965-04:00Board of Internal Economy does not have to listen ...Board of Internal Economy does not have to listen to Liberal motion. They work on consensus, they don't take votes.<br /><br />Board makes their own decision. Libbie admits they are independent body.<br /><br />Are they going to put speaker, board, CPC in contempt?<br /><br />oh no you didn't!CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-56818466554583261492010-03-17T19:35:16.789-04:002010-03-17T19:35:16.789-04:00If the objective is to save taxpayers money, why n...If the objective is to save taxpayers money, why not do away with public funding for political parties? This would save more than cancelling 10%ers but of course it would impact LPC, NDP and BQ budgets so they will find a way to see the idea as a great plot against them.<br />Let the board pass this so it is binding on all aprties for all time.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046805109275007596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-13415582958859418532010-03-17T18:48:47.476-04:002010-03-17T18:48:47.476-04:00The ongoing contempt for democracy that is being d...The ongoing contempt for democracy that is being displayed by Harper and crew is a bloody disgrace. Every Conservative should hang their heads in shame and endure the wrath and disgust of Canadians. Bastards!<br /><br />( ... I feel better now .... )leftdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936887870919391739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-5853866806090264692010-03-17T17:59:25.173-04:002010-03-17T17:59:25.173-04:00Are you suggesting a motion is passed in parliamen...Are you suggesting a motion is passed in parliament it must be always respected, how novel.<br /><br />Did the Liberals in Senate regularly block anything they did not like? <br /><br />Didn't we hear the Senate was the sober second thought? <br /><br />GG grants Royal Assent.<br /><br />Are you suggesting Liberals, NDP motion passed in parliament don't need to follow the same processes?<br /><br />If you are correct, will the Parliament vote contempt against the government and have the PM arrested for his 10%?<br /><br />Has the motion passed the senate and given royal assent or is the motion something lower?<br /><br />Did the legal opinions to the PMO suggest he can ignore the 10%, prorogue motions?<br /><br />Jeff am I missing something?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-47460842702757099432010-03-17T17:57:18.917-04:002010-03-17T17:57:18.917-04:00Doubly and trebly stupid of them for many reasons....Doubly and trebly stupid of them for many reasons.<br /><br />No one likes waste. No one likes junk mail. No one likes to get junk mail from politicians. No one likes to get junk mail from politicians that we pay for with our own money.<br /><br />And the Conservatives just voted in favour of it.<br /><br />And then they announce they will defy Parliament over this.<br /><br />But the <a href="http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/InternalEconomyBoard.aspx" rel="nofollow">Board of Internal Economy</a> is made up of 9 members, only three of whom are Conservatives. So even if they want to take the highly technical position that the motion is not binding on them because it is only directing the BIE to stop the 10%ers and it hasn't done that yet, it is clear that it will soon do that so why be seen to support this waste when it is out the window soon?<br /><br />And add to that, the PMO contradicting the PM!<br /><br />Stupid stupid stupid.Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.com