tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post6672609755624892911..comments2024-02-07T16:22:39.625-05:00Comments on Jeff Jedras: The Globe is trying to manufacture controversyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-36263660744961561022007-08-19T20:26:00.000-04:002007-08-19T20:26:00.000-04:00It's unfortunate that some anonymous people with t...<I>It's unfortunate that some anonymous people with their own agendas and motivations are trying to sow the seeds of dissent</I><BR/><BR/>No, it's unfortunate that candidates are now being chosen on the basis of sex and not merit.McLeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09165834242136713347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-63536026066337693852007-08-19T16:03:00.000-04:002007-08-19T16:03:00.000-04:00People,people your forgetting that the liberals ar...People,people your forgetting that the liberals are masters in<BR/>appointing people just look <BR/>at our Liberal dominate senate they don't want to be elected they want to be appointed;) Enough said its<BR/>no surprise!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-10508182334849784422007-08-19T13:39:00.000-04:002007-08-19T13:39:00.000-04:00JeffLets get this in the proper perspective Martha...Jeff<BR/>Lets get this in the proper perspective Martha Hall Findlay was Nominated ONLY AFTER the Riding Association asked the Leaders Office to appoint her. She was quite prepared to run and win a Nomination. <BR/>Riding Association = grass roots democracy = Leader support.<BR/>Far cry different than this Out right Appointment. Georgina is as seriously qualified and we should have let democracy prevail. <BR/>We as a party are going further back rather than forward and this kind of heavy handedness strikes of the regimes of old and not the 21st century. The Party still DOES NOT get it. Point blank Michelle should have did the deed according to the "due process of nomination".Browners Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04205334835615989545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-81919573900795970932007-08-19T11:23:00.000-04:002007-08-19T11:23:00.000-04:00I think it's somewhat ironic that Simson was appoi...I think it's somewhat ironic that Simson was appointed in Tom Wappel's riding.<BR/><BR/>Wappel rode the ride of anti-abortionists to upset Patrick Johnson who was recruited by Turner to run in Scarborough West. If anything, this is one of the reasons why I support the appointment of candidates to ridings because I don't think how Wappel originally won the riding is anymore 'democratic' than appointing a candidate.Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423615329119443537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-59034231823280961512007-08-18T18:38:00.000-04:002007-08-18T18:38:00.000-04:00Mr. Jedras:"To argue it's undemocratic to use the ...Mr. Jedras:<BR/><BR/>"To argue it's undemocratic to use the power granted democratically is a bit of a stretch." O.K. then why does the left keeps saying what Harper is doing is undemocratic? Example when he uses his<BR/>power not to let the media get to his ministers with out going threw the PMO!! Has far has i know its all legal.<BR/>So please explain to me<BR/>how this is undemocratic<BR/>and what Dion is doing <BR/>with his party is democratic? Thank You!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-5364381890733810092007-08-18T18:18:00.000-04:002007-08-18T18:18:00.000-04:00janfromthebruce i couldn't agree with you more! Yo...janfromthebruce i couldn't agree with you more! You forgot to add <BR/>undemocratic too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-42726853004956464372007-08-18T18:16:00.000-04:002007-08-18T18:16:00.000-04:00probably a disappointed supporter of Georgina Benz...<I>probably a disappointed supporter of Georgina Benzcik...</I><BR/><BR/>If so, that would make their comments complaining about "a Caucasian woman" rather odd.<BR/><BR/><I>Presuming Curry titled the piece</I><BR/><BR/>Reporters don't write the headlines, but in this case the story matched the headline.<BR/><BR/><I>Just to stand corrected, I am not sure if the process and time taken was right, but the party had their own reasons to it.</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry if you felt I misread your comments, I was just trying to summarize your comments to the Globe. And I agree, the process was poorly handled. Given that an appointment was a foregone conclusion, I don't know why they didn't do it months ago.<BR/><BR/>And the login thing is needed to keep the spam, and trollers, at bay, it was getting bad at one point.<BR/><BR/><I>Dion has already used it at least four times: Jocelyn Coulon in Outremont, Anne Park Shannon in Victoria, the Liberal spokesperson who runs the Green Party in Central Nova and now Michelle Simson in Scarborough Southwest.</I><BR/><BR/>I said besides byelections (which would include the other two Quebec ones too). <BR/><BR/>Anne Park Shannon was not appointed, she ran for the nomination and was unopposed. And a candidate wasn't appointed in Central Nova, though I get what you're saying. <BR/><BR/>As I said, besides byelections there have been two appointments: Hall Findlay and Simson.<BR/><BR/><I>The NDP has the best record of any party in running women, and it doesn't require Jack Layton dismissing local democracy.</I><BR/><BR/>They don't make appointments, no. But, like all parties, the NDP have told people they're not to run in order to reserve a riding for a desired candidate. Strongly discouraged not to run, shall we say. While all parties do this, frankly, I'd prefer an appointment in the open to a backroom fixed nomination.<BR/><BR/><I>sorry but<BR/>this is controversial,because every time a leader of a political party appoints<BR/>a candidate no matter what political stripes is wrong controversial this is why they have riding associations</I><BR/><BR/>Contreversial to some, perhaps sure. There's bound to be a few people upset. But the fact is the power of appointment is one that the members of the LPC voted to give the leader. They could vote to take it away, but instead they've affirmed the power over the years. To argue it's undemocratic to use the power granted democratically is a bit of a stretch.<BR/><BR/>That said, while I feel that since the power to appoint is on the books it's fine if the leader uses it selectively, if there was to be a constitutional amendment on the floor at a future convention to remove that power I'd support it.<BR/><BR/><I>I bet the anonymous source was Ray Heard.</I><BR/><BR/>Ha, funny. But probably not. I disagree with pretty well everything Ray Heard says, but at least he speaks on the record and stands behind it. I give him credit for that.<BR/><BR/><I>Like blogging horse said, not all parties "do this".</I><BR/><BR/>As I said further up, yes they do. They just don't do it in the open, they fix it in the backrooms. To deny that is niave, but if people need to deny it for their own political reasons I understand. Let's not kid ourselves though.<BR/><BR/><I>It makes it look like she couldn't win against other candidates, or men. Thus it makes her look like a weak candidate.</I><BR/><BR/>I actually agree Jan, while I support the goal of more women in politics I dislike the idea of a quota, and I'd prefer appointments not be used. I do think a strong female candidate that wins an open nomination process is a stronger candidate, and I'd like to see us addressing the systemic barriers that stop women from succeeding in the nomination process, like money, connections, etc.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, Dion has made his policy clear, he ran on it, he won, and now he's implementing it. He's doing what he said he do, which is get more women in Liberal nominations. And, in this case, in a winnable riding. And, while I wouldn't use the same tools, I do support the goal.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-70815041973466780222007-08-18T16:56:00.000-04:002007-08-18T16:56:00.000-04:00Like blogging horse said, not all parties "do this...Like blogging horse said, not all parties "do this". The NDP mandates that every riding association conduct a candidate for people who are considered minorities, and this must be submitted to the provincial and/or national office.<BR/>If the libs national office wanted this candidate to win, they could have put the resources in there to help this candidate sign up new voters and talk to local riding members about what a great candidate she is. <BR/>In fact, by the candidate getting out in the community and gathering support and members, is better for her to win. It makes it look like she couldn't win against other candidates, or men. Thus it makes her look like a weak candidate.susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-67729160315200227052007-08-18T16:23:00.000-04:002007-08-18T16:23:00.000-04:00I bet the anonymous source was Ray Heard.I bet the anonymous source was Ray Heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-85683021897008032812007-08-18T13:40:00.000-04:002007-08-18T13:40:00.000-04:00Jeff Jedras sorry butthis is controversial,because...Jeff Jedras sorry but<BR/>this is controversial,because every time a leader of a political party appoints<BR/>a candidate no matter what political stripes is wrong controversial this is why they have riding associations. They are the ones who are supposed<BR/>to pick their candidate i<BR/>know other parties do the same but it is wrong. Or else why do they have riding associations? Its not democratic.<BR/><BR/> BTW KNB nice to see you on this blog too;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-59106912324107519132007-08-18T13:33:00.000-04:002007-08-18T13:33:00.000-04:00Rarely used? Dion has already used it at least fo...Rarely used? <BR/><BR/>Dion has already used it at least four times: Jocelyn Coulon in Outremont, Anne Park Shannon in Victoria, the Liberal spokesperson who runs the Green Party in Central Nova and now Michelle Simson in Scarborough Southwest.<BR/><BR/>And does it matter that it's "rarely used"? Imagine that Elections Canada had the power to choose how you voted, but it was "rarely used". Would that make it more democratic?<BR/><BR/>If Liberals want to avoid charges of this sort they should tell Dion to stop overriding local democracy. It's not complicated.<BR/><BR/>The NDP has the best record of any party in running women, and it doesn't require Jack Layton dismissing local democracy.Blogging Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07814673326602261801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-77495330032440680282007-08-18T13:22:00.000-04:002007-08-18T13:22:00.000-04:00Jeff,Just to stand corrected, I am not sure if the...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Just to stand corrected, I am not sure if the process and time taken was right, but the party had their own reasons to it. I have made it clear that if the appointment was made to keep the leaders promise for 1/3rd seats for women, then I support the ideology and support the candidate. <BR/><BR/>I am not taking any guess on who the long time Liberal is, but such remarks do not help the party or the communties they claim to represent.<BR/><BR/>Anytime some one is appointed, there will be people who are dissappointed. It is upto Michelle to work with everyone and win their support, which I think she is capable of doing.<BR/><BR/>Vijay Sappani<BR/>p.s. due to your posting restrictions, I have to sign in from the only blogger id I have.Rural Empowerment Programhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931883163411329887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-21276811173478024152007-08-18T13:20:00.000-04:002007-08-18T13:20:00.000-04:00Jeff,Just to stand corrected, I am not sure if the...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Just to stand corrected, I am not sure if the process and time taken was right, but the party had their own reasons to it. I have made it clear that if the appointment was made to keep the leaders promise for 1/3rd seats for women, then I support the ideology and support the candidate. <BR/><BR/>I am not taking any guess on who the long time Liberal is, but such remarks do not help the party or the communties they claim to represent.<BR/><BR/>Anytime some one is appointed, there will be people who are dissappointed. It is upto Michelle to work with everyone and win their support, which I think she is capable of doing.Rural Empowerment Programhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931883163411329887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-47438693320475344282007-08-18T12:25:00.000-04:002007-08-18T12:25:00.000-04:00If the only alternative is a carpetbagger (too), I...If the only alternative is a carpetbagger (too), I don't have as much of a problem with appointed candidates but otherwise I do. Look how Emerson turned out after all. If only someone would turf my absentee MP (Layton)Mark Dowlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399115211805036553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-3948267113003443162007-08-18T12:23:00.000-04:002007-08-18T12:23:00.000-04:00Presuming Curry titled the piece, (which he may no...Presuming Curry titled the piece, (which he may not have), he's stirring the pot too.<BR/><BR/>It's really beginning to tick me off frankly. There are ton's of off hand statements by reporters of Dion being MIA, which is untrue, he's just not being covered. When he is covered, it seems mandatory that the "unrest" in the party angle is thrown in.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19402125.post-77060960116277119052007-08-18T10:44:00.000-04:002007-08-18T10:44:00.000-04:00I would take a guess the Toronto Liberal is probab...I would take a guess the Toronto Liberal is probably a disappointed supporter of Georgina Benzcik, the other candidate wanting to run in that riding.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.com