Wednesday, April 04, 2007

Reading comprehension

I don't expect people to agree with what I write; indeed, with conservatives dominating blogland I expect most people to disagree. Might be nice though if people actually, I don't know, READ the post before telling me how wrong I am.

Take Blogging Tory Aaron, who, in response to this post, wrote this on his blog:

Liberal Party Responds to Bad Polling Numbers

"Polls are dumb."

It’s not fair, either!

Except, had Aaron actually read the post he's attempting to mock, he'd see the poll numbers weren't bad at all. Allow me to refresh your memory:

Cons 36, Liberals 31. From the last poll, Cons down 4, Liberals up two. Since the election Cons unchanged, Liberals up one.


What bad polling numbers? Indeed, if you were to try to call these poll numbers bad for the Liberals, you'd have to call them catastrophically monumentally terrible for the Conservatives. Which he'd have seen if he'd read it, it being like the entire point of the post.

Thanks for coming out.

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13 comments:

Jason Cherniak said...

I've noticed this disturbing trend as well. The Tories seem more interested in spinning what we write than in actually engaging in debate. Most people who read his post will never even follow the link to yours - they will just assume you said exactly what he says you said.

McLea said...

The Tories seem more interested in spinning what we write than in actually engaging in debate.

Oh please...

I'm absolutely convinced that Jeff runs every blog post through the "how can a win the Liberals more votes" filter. So you can say that the Tories aren't interested in engaging in debate with Libs, and you're probably right. Personally, I'd prefer banging my head repeatedly against the sidewalk before I'd get tangled up in a political debate with a Lib.

But don't even begin to talk about spin. Seriously, don't. Not on this blog.

A BCer in Toronto said...

I'm absolutely convinced that Jeff runs every blog post through the "how can a win the Liberals more votes" filter.

So, you're saying that I'm a Liberal partisan, and I would like to see the Liberals get more votes, and that I write posts that offer advice on how the Liberal Party can get more votes?

Congratulations, you've won my 1st annual Stating the Blatantly Obvious Award.

Personally, I'd prefer banging my head repeatedly against the sidewalk before I'd get tangled up in a political debate with a Lib.

Since that is barred-out by your past comments, your head must be really sore man.

Acetaminophen?

Ti-Guy said...

Acetaminophen?

Uncivil! I'm sure that crack hurt someone's feelings.

Mike said...

Go easy on little Aaron. I'm pretty sure he wears a hockey helmet most of the time...

The Rat said...

It's amazing what a little perspective can do for you. 36-31 is not "terrible" anymore because it's expected that the Liberals will trail the Conservatives. It's way better than 17 points behind, right? How low have the mighty fallen! So low that a poll showing their marathon leadership convention, the public's attention turning to their pet project, and the leadership honeymoon, have still left the Liberals right where they were on the day of the election is seen as good news! And only one poll out of several that show them scraping the barrel-bottom.

By the way, what do you think a headline like this will do:

Police Probing Liberal 'Network Of Corruption

Ed King said...

Rat, I think you've proven Jeff's point. To answer your question, most people who are stupid enough to take newspaper headlines at face value without reading the article are probably already committed to the Conservative Party. Did you even read the article?

canuckistanian said...

mclea said:
"Personally, I'd prefer banging my head repeatedly against the sidewalk before I'd get tangled up in a political debate with a Lib."

smart move, probably alot less painful ;-).

A BCer in Toronto said...

Uncivil! I'm sure that crack hurt someone's feelings.

Go easy on little Aaron.


I wasn't "unfair", was I? :)

Rat, how about the Conservatives free-falling four points in one week? But anyway, I'd be interested, what do you think about 14 months with all the levers of power, two budgets, a gst cut and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars spent yielding the Conservatives an improvement in the polls of exactly......zero. That's right, 14 months and Harper is right back where he started? Is that a testament to The Leader's grand strategic prowess Rat? All part of his master plan?

The Rat said...

That's right, 14 months and Harper is right back where he started? Is that a testament to The Leader's grand strategic prowess Rat? All part of his master plan?

As I said, Jeff, it's all about perspective. This is about as high as the Conservatives have ever been. It's easy to be happy when you're sitting on a historic high. On the other hand, that Liberals can now celebrate because they're "only" 5 points back says a lot.

McLea said...

I just think your blog would more enjoyable, and dare I say more effective, if you took your agent for the Liberal Party of Canada hat off every once in awhile.

and that I write posts that offer advice on how the Liberal Party can get more votes?

Well if this was true, I suppose you would have a point. But I figure a good 50% of your posts are of the "go out of my way to slander the Tories" variety.

A BCer in Toronto said...

Rat,

This is about as high as the Conservatives have ever been.

On average, yes. On average, it's also as high as the Cons have ever been. Therefore, I think it'd be fair to say both parties have failed to gain support.

The Libs haven't been able to grow their support, that's true, or close the gap. I've expressed my displeasure with that and suggested resolutions, and the media have certainly played up the lack of Liberal poll growth angle loudly and frequently. I'm not disputing it.

The point of my original post was that the Conservatives have also failed to grow their support, something that has gotten Zero media play or attention. I think it should.

A BCer in Toronto said...

mclea,

...if you took your agent for the Liberal Party of Canada hat off every once in awhile...

You may find my Vimy post interesting then, and while I'm not going to go back and pull out a list of examples I've always tried to hold my party and its leaders to account.

But I figure a good 50% of your posts are of the "go out of my way to slander the Tories" variety.

Slander? Come now. Actually, if I recall my media law class slander is verbal and libel is written, so you mean libel. But then again, falsely accusing me of libel would, ironically, be libel, and then I could sue you for libeling me as a libeler. So let's not go there.

But I know what you're getting at. And I disagree. Do I attack the Conservatives? Obviously. I think they have the wrong vision for Canada, I think they're making bad decisions, are misleading Canadians, and so on. It is perfectly reasonable to hold them to account.

Now, if you're implying at some point/s I've crossed the line of spirited opposition into "slander" or baseless attack, perhaps you could provide a few examples. But, while you may disagree with a criticism, that doesn't make it invalid.